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<!--quoteo(post=4505:date=Dec 13 2008, 12:35 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 13 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Alf and Dunn in the same OF? Can you say Keystone Kops?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exact same thing with <i>Abreu</i> and Alf. You're giving up runs defensively, but gaining back more with the bat.
Only since Dunn is a more productive hitter than Abreu, you get more offense back with him.
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<!--quoteo(post=4509:date=Dec 13 2008, 12:40 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 13 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4505:date=Dec 13 2008, 12:35 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 13 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Alf and Dunn in the same OF? Can you say Keystone Kops?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exact same thing with <i>Abreu</i> and Alf. You're giving up runs defensively, but gaining back more with the bat.
Only since Dunn is a more productive hitter than Abreu, you get more offense back with him.
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I didn't know Abreu had slipped that far defensively. Now that I know, I'll pass on him as well.
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<!--quoteo(post=4511:date=Dec 13 2008, 01:43 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 13 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4509:date=Dec 13 2008, 12:40 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 13 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4505:date=Dec 13 2008, 12:35 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 13 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Alf and Dunn in the same OF? Can you say Keystone Kops?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exact same thing with <i>Abreu</i> and Alf. You're giving up runs defensively, but gaining back more with the bat.
Only since Dunn is a more productive hitter than Abreu, you get more offense back with him.
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I didn't know Abreu had slipped that far defensively. Now that I know, I'll pass on him as well.
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And if Bradley signs elsewhere?
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<!--quoteo(post=4512:date=Dec 13 2008, 12:44 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 13 2008, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4511:date=Dec 13 2008, 01:43 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 13 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4509:date=Dec 13 2008, 12:40 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 13 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4505:date=Dec 13 2008, 12:35 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 13 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Alf and Dunn in the same OF? Can you say Keystone Kops?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exact same thing with <i>Abreu</i> and Alf. You're giving up runs defensively, but gaining back more with the bat.
Only since Dunn is a more productive hitter than Abreu, you get more offense back with him.
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I didn't know Abreu had slipped that far defensively. Now that I know, I'll pass on him as well.
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And if Bradley signs elsewhere?
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Truthfully, Ace? I'd say that you have pointed out something: <!--coloro:#8B0000--> <!--/coloro-->there is close to a 100% chance that we sign Bradley<!--colorc-->
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Think about it...even among Jim's ol' boy network of scouts, they're likely well-aware that Abreu is a bad option. It seems painfully clear.
Ibanez is gone. And they detest Dunn because...
well, there's no good reason, but all <!--coloro:#0000FF--> <!--/coloro-->scout>sabermetric<!--colorc-->
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That leaves only one option, and when there's only one option, Jimbo almost always gets his man.
I see a Bradley signing within 3-4 days. Book it.
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<!--quoteo(post=4471:date=Dec 13 2008, 09:15 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 13 2008, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4469:date=Dec 13 2008, 10:14 AM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Dec 13 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4463:date=Dec 13 2008, 08:37 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 13 2008, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just want to say - obviously I'd much rather have Dunn than Abreu. But we are not pursuing Dunn based on ANYTHING I've seen in the last 3 weeks. So I just don't even think about it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You do realize...that with this commentary...you have established yourself as the preeminent nutjob in all of baseball fandom?
Dunn over Abreu?
Seek therapy.
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I think you would find that it is, if not a majority position, a strong minority.
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A room full of psychos can be a majority, too.
If Adam Dunn moved into neighborhood of troglodytes, he'd drive down the property values.
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Ace and Kabes need to start posting in Vaginaland.
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Dunn is a bad baseball decision for any NL team unless he can learn to play 1B. Just sayin.
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I wish Adam Dunn would retire so I wouldn't have to hear about his greatness anymore.
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<!--quoteo(post=4531:date=Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dunn is a bad baseball decision for any NL team unless he can learn to play 1B. Just sayin.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And by that line of reasoning, signing Manny Ramirez, even for one year, is a bad decision. Because he's a worse fielder than Dunn.
Oh...unless you consider<i> hitting</i> to be worth anything. Then both players are pretty good options.
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<!--quoteo(post=4559:date=Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4531:date=Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dunn is a bad baseball decision for any NL team unless he can learn to play 1B. Just sayin.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And by that line of reasoning, signing Manny Ramirez, even for one year, is a bad decision. Because he's a worse fielder than Dunn.
Oh...unless you consider<i> hitting</i> to be worth anything. Then both players are pretty good options.
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You've worn out my patience.
Go to fuck, KB...
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<!--quoteo(post=4559:date=Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4531:date=Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dunn is a bad baseball decision for any NL team unless he can learn to play 1B. Just sayin.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And by that line of reasoning, signing Manny Ramirez, even for one year, is a bad decision. Because he's a worse fielder than Dunn.
Oh...unless you consider<i> hitting</i> to be worth anything. Then both players are pretty good options.
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Sorry, but you just compared the greatest right handed hitter of our time to a guy that is a career .247 hitter. That doesn't work.
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<!--quoteo(post=4561:date=Dec 13 2008, 05:06 PM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Dec 13 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4559:date=Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4531:date=Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dunn is a bad baseball decision for any NL team unless he can learn to play 1B. Just sayin.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And by that line of reasoning, signing Manny Ramirez, even for one year, is a bad decision. Because he's a worse fielder than Dunn.
Oh...unless you consider<i> hitting</i> to be worth anything. Then both players are pretty good options.
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Sorry, but you just compared the greatest right handed hitter of our time to a guy that is a career .247 hitter. That doesn't work.
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And Manny's not as bad as Dunn out there. He's not good, but Dunn is just awful.
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I am thoroughly convinced that the only baseball game KB watches in a calender year is the SOITOW game.
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<!--quoteo(post=4561:date=Dec 13 2008, 05:06 PM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Dec 13 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4559:date=Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4531:date=Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dunn is a bad baseball decision for any NL team unless he can learn to play 1B. Just sayin.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And by that line of reasoning, signing Manny Ramirez, even for one year, is a bad decision. Because he's a worse fielder than Dunn.
Oh...unless you consider<i> hitting</i> to be worth anything. Then both players are pretty good options.
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Sorry, but you just compared the greatest right handed hitter of our time to a guy that is a career .247 hitter. That doesn't work.
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I compared their <i>fielding</i>.
But I did enjoy your notion that a ballplayer's entire offensive value can be expressed through batting average.
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Dunn is highly rated by stat people, because to them, the only true offensive skills are walking and homering (the results of batted balls put in play is luck). The stat method is of course great at evaluating any the numbers, but fails to quantify (I won't call them intangibles) the things that make baseball, baseball. These include clutch and situational hitting. Depending on the situation, Dunn can be pitched so that he will likely walk or KO (50% OBP, but little chance of hit, sac fly or moving the runner over) or he can be pitched to contact (low OBP, but significant chance of HR). This is why Dunn is known for being a poor clutch hitter and a lot of meaningless solo hrs.
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