Minor League Roundup

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=33041:date=Apr 25 2009, 09:11 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Damn, what a difference a year makes for Jay Jackson.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm not too concerned. He's 21 and in AA ball after 1 year in the Cubs system. There's going to be an adjustment period.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=33048:date=Apr 25 2009, 11:42 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 25 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33041:date=Apr 25 2009, 09:11 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Damn, what a difference a year makes for Jay Jackson.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm not too concerned. He's 21 and in AA ball after 1 year in the Cubs system. There's going to be an adjustment period.
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Probably. But it reminds me a little of James Russell, who had one year (I think he was a little older at the time) of dominance in the Cubs system in his first year, moved up rapidly to AA, and then hit a wall from which he has not recovered.

[Runnys]

BTW...when do we find a spot for Fox on this team....or when do we trade him for something our system needs.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=33064:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM:name=Runnys)-->QUOTE (Runnys @ Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW...when do we find a spot for Fox on this team....or when do we trade him for something our system needs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

*dreaming of a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon at 1B, which would probably be productive enough to make up for the loss of defense*

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=33065:date=Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33064:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW...when do we find a spot for Fox on this team....or when do we trade him for something our system needs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

*dreaming of a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon at 1B, which would probably be productive enough to make up for the loss of defense*
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I think no.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=33067:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33065:date=Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33064:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW...when do we find a spot for Fox on this team....or when do we trade him for something our system needs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

*dreaming of a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon at 1B, which would probably be productive enough to make up for the loss of defense*
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I think no.
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Did I mention it would be $10 mill cheaper?

Peavy/Hoffpauir/Fox >>>>>>>> Lee.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=33069:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:02 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33067:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33065:date=Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33064:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW...when do we find a spot for Fox on this team....or when do we trade him for something our system needs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

*dreaming of a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon at 1B, which would probably be productive enough to make up for the loss of defense*
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I think no.
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Did I mention it would be $10 mill cheaper?

Peavy/Hoffpauir/Fox >>>>>>>> Lee.
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When are we trading Lee for Peavy?

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=33071:date=Apr 25 2009, 02:03 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33069:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:02 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33067:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33065:date=Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33064:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW...when do we find a spot for Fox on this team....or when do we trade him for something our system needs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

*dreaming of a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon at 1B, which would probably be productive enough to make up for the loss of defense*
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I think no.
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Did I mention it would be $10 mill cheaper?

Peavy/Hoffpauir/Fox >>>>>>>> Lee.
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When are we trading Lee for Peavy?
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We're not. Just giving an example of what the saved $10 mill could provide.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=33072:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:04 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33071:date=Apr 25 2009, 02:03 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33069:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:02 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33067:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33065:date=Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33064:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW...when do we find a spot for Fox on this team....or when do we trade him for something our system needs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

*dreaming of a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon at 1B, which would probably be productive enough to make up for the loss of defense*
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I think no.
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Did I mention it would be $10 mill cheaper?

Peavy/Hoffpauir/Fox >>>>>>>> Lee.
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When are we trading Lee for Peavy?
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We're not. Just giving an example of what the saved $10 mill could provide.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->But it's not even close to an accurate depiction. It'd be more like Peavy/Hoffpauir/Fox < Lee/Vitters/Samardzija/Marshall

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=33057:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:12 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33048:date=Apr 25 2009, 11:42 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 25 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33041:date=Apr 25 2009, 09:11 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Damn, what a difference a year makes for Jay Jackson.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm not too concerned. He's 21 and in AA ball after 1 year in the Cubs system. There's going to be an adjustment period.
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Probably. But it reminds me a little of James Russell, who had one year (I think he was a little older at the time) of dominance in the Cubs system in his first year, moved up rapidly to AA, and then hit a wall from which he has not recovered.
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I think kicking the roids cold turkey may have had something to do with Russel's wall.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=33074:date=Apr 25 2009, 02:07 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33072:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:04 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33071:date=Apr 25 2009, 02:03 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33069:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:02 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33067:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33065:date=Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33064:date=Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Apr 25 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BTW...when do we find a spot for Fox on this team....or when do we trade him for something our system needs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

*dreaming of a Hoffpauir/Fox platoon at 1B, which would probably be productive enough to make up for the loss of defense*
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I think no.
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Did I mention it would be $10 mill cheaper?

Peavy/Hoffpauir/Fox >>>>>>>> Lee.
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When are we trading Lee for Peavy?
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We're not. Just giving an example of what the saved $10 mill could provide.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->But it's not even close to an accurate depiction. It'd be more like Peavy/Hoffpauir/Fox < Lee/Vitters/Samardzija/Marshall
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Maybe it's a misrepresentation, but all I'm saying is in terms of what the ML team could look like for the same green. Your comparison sort of turns it apples/oranges.

The actual trade for Peavy is sort of beside the point. But for clarity, let me rephrase:

Hoffpauir/Fox/$10 mill to use on the ML team >>>>>>> Lee

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Hoffpauir/Fox/$10 mill to use on the ML team >>>>>>> Lee<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't agree.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=33119:date=Apr 25 2009, 05:59 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Hoffpauir/Fox/$10 mill to use on the ML team >>>>>>> Lee<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't agree.
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Oh, ok. You know, if you had just said up front that you were retarded, we could have avoided this whole exchange.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=33156:date=Apr 25 2009, 07:06 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33119:date=Apr 25 2009, 05:59 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Hoffpauir/Fox/$10 mill to use on the ML team >>>>>>> Lee<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't agree.
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Oh, ok. You know, if you had just said up front that you were retarded, we could have avoided this whole exchange.
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Yeah, because it's reasonable to think 2 guys approaching 30 years old that have never done anything on the MLB level can replace Lee and the Cubs can reinvest $10 M in a difference maker without giving up something to get that difference maker.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=33157:date=Apr 25 2009, 08:10 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33156:date=Apr 25 2009, 07:06 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 25 2009, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=33119:date=Apr 25 2009, 05:59 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 25 2009, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Hoffpauir/Fox/$10 mill to use on the ML team >>>>>>> Lee<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't agree.
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Oh, ok. You know, if you had just said up front that you were retarded, we could have avoided this whole exchange.
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Yeah, because it's reasonable to think 2 guys approaching 30 years old that have never done anything on the MLB level can replace Lee and the Cubs can reinvest $10 M in a difference maker without giving up something to get that difference maker.
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I'm glad we agree.

(psst - offensively, Lee is not exactly difficult to replace anymore)