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Here's a statement I can support.
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Yep.
And the argument that somehow DeRosa wouldn't be happy if he and Fontenot both stayed is pretty ridiculous. There would have been plenty of at bats to go around, just like there were last season for the two of them.
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How was there plenty for Fontenot last year? He's almost halfway to his AB total from last year. And as we can see, he's no slouch with the bat.
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Well, the point is more about this season. There would have been significantly more at bats to go around this season with Bradley in the equation.
The thing about this whole thing for me is that I really wasn't all that upset with trading DeRosa to get Fontenot more at bats, until we turned around and gave Aaron Miles $5 million to replace him. And yes, in the grand scheme of things, Miles did essentially replace DeRosa. I can't even understand that being a question.
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miles was brought in to be a back up to fintenot and theriot. why can't you grasp this?
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<!--quoteo(post=35464:date=May 4 2009, 07:22 PM:name=Brock)-->QUOTE (Brock @ May 4 2009, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Because a roster and a lineup aren't built one transaction at a time. There was no direct replacement there, at all, you can't look at it like that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess I'm not following.
Edmonds wasn't coming back. We needed another starting outfielder. We got Bradley, who replaced Edmonds.
DeRosa was traded. Fontenot became the starter. We needed an extra middle infielder. We got Miles, who replaced DeRosa.
I'm not even sure what we're arguing anymore. All I know is Aaron Miles has done nothing thus far to make me think he is going to be any sort of a worthwhile contributor to this team.
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holy shit, are you serious? fontenot replaced derosa, miles replaced fontenot. it's pretty fucking simple.
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I guess I'm not following.
Edmonds wasn't coming back. We needed another starting outfielder. We got Bradley, who replaced Edmonds.
DeRosa was traded. Fontenot became the starter. We needed an extra middle infielder. We got Miles, who replaced DeRosa.
I'm not even sure what we're arguing anymore. All I know is Aaron Miles has done nothing thus far to make me think he is going to be any sort of a worthwhile contributor to this team.
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holy shit, are you serious? fontenot replaced derosa, miles replaced fontenot. it's pretty fucking simple.
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Does it really matter? Miles replacing either of those guys is a big downgrade.
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actually, it doesn't matter at all, but he keeps saying it over and over and it's wrong. i
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I guess I'm not following.
Edmonds wasn't coming back. We needed another starting outfielder. We got Bradley, who replaced Edmonds.
DeRosa was traded. Fontenot became the starter. We needed an extra middle infielder. We got Miles, who replaced DeRosa.
I'm not even sure what we're arguing anymore. All I know is Aaron Miles has done nothing thus far to make me think he is going to be any sort of a worthwhile contributor to this team.
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holy shit, are you serious? fontenot replaced derosa, miles replaced fontenot. it's pretty fucking simple.
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Does it really matter? Miles replacing either of those guys is a big downgrade.
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Miles replaced Cedeno. Fontenot replaced DeRosa. Fontenot's position was never replaced (that roster spot basically went to Gathright), hence we only have 3 MI on the entire 40 man. Trying to look at the moves as individual moves doesn't make sense, that's the point I'm trying to make and people keep ignoring.
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To me, the central point is when you sign a guy who is always hurt half the season and you can expect other players on the roster to suffer injuries (like every team), it's nice to have a solid utility guy and/or backup. DeRosa would've been the perfect compliment to Bradley/Ramirez/Lee/Alf/Fontenot. And we dumped him for dick. It was a stupid move.
That's my point, anyway.
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The Bradley signing never would have happened had DeRosa still been on the roster.
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how many more wins would the cubs have if derosa was still on the team? none? less than none? 5? 12?
fuck derosa. i'm done with him too.
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<!--quoteo(post=35695:date=May 5 2009, 01:27 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ May 5 2009, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->how many more wins would the cubs have if derosa was still on the team? none? less than none? 5? 12?
fuck derosa. i'm done with him too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
0, and he played a huge part in us going 0-6 in the playoffs.
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The Bradley signing never would have happened had DeRosa still been on the roster.
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But it could have happened if Hendry wanted it to happen. He lost sight of the bigger picture because he wanted to get more left-handed.
Seriously, though. DeRosa isn't going to make our break our season. I don't care that much.
But it was still a stupid move...
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<!--quoteo(post=35694:date=May 5 2009, 01:25 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 5 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35690:date=May 5 2009, 02:22 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 5 2009, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->To me, the central point is when you sign a guy who is always hurt half the season and you can expect other players on the roster to suffer injuries (like every team), it's nice to have a solid utility guy and/or backup. DeRosa would've been the perfect compliment to Bradley/Ramirez/Lee/Alf/Fontenot. And we dumped him for dick. It was a stupid move.
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The Bradley signing never would have happened had DeRosa still been on the roster.
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You say that like it's a good thing.
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The Bradley signing never would have happened had DeRosa still been on the roster.
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You say that like it's a good thing.
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It's way too early to say it's not.
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0, and he played a huge part in us going 0-6 in the playoffs.
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<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->We wouldn't give up DeRosa and Marquis solely for Milton Bradley. There's no way I'll believe that. This is a guy you can't expect to play more than 90 games and DeRo was our MVP last year. <i>~Clappy von Clappage</i><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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0, and he played a huge part in us going 0-6 in the playoffs.
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Incorrect. You can't pontificate all year long about how he was "the team MVP," and then later pretend he had no value whatsoever.
I mean, you <i>can</i>. it just reeks of falseness.
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There just wasn't a spot on the team for DeRo. They wanted Fontenot to get GUARANTEED at bats. Hendry could not go up to DeRo, tell him he lost his starting spot, but would get at bats because they expect the newly signed RFer to be injured for 60+ games. That would have never worked.
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