Harden and Heilman Claimed on Waivers

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=60960:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Again Coldneck, you used a perfect example of why there's little doubt at least one team would put a claim on him. Alex fucking Rios, he of the .264/.317/.427 slash numbers at the time of his claim and the 6 years, $60+mil left on his contract, got claimed without even making it through a third of the league.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.

[Kid]

<!--quoteo(post=60959:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60956:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:45 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 1 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60954:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:39 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60952:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:35 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 1 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60947:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:24 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60944:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:14 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60943:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:12 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Can someone please answer this question. If Zambrano were a free agent, and could sign with any team today, would his contract equal 4 yr / $72M? Because that is basically the argument we are having. I think that answer is no.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a false analogy. If he signed a new contract this offseason, he might not get 4/72, but I think he very well might. That doesn't mean that a team, or numerous teams, wouldn't take on his contract with that left on it.
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There has to be a GM that thinks Z is worth 4 yr/ 72M for him to be claimed. I don't think there is one out there. Evidently you think there are lots og GMs that feel that way. That is the only point I am trying to make with my analogy.
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For free, without trading anything to get him, to have Zambrano under control for 4 years, there would literally be 2 dozen teams putting a claim in for him at that price. To think otherwise is foolish and completely uninformed.
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You are out of your mind if you think 2 dozen teams would pay that for Z with no strings attached. I will name a dozen right now that positively would not.

Pirates
Nats
Marlins
Rays
Toronto
Diamondbacks
A's
Twins
Reds
Brewers
Indians
Royals
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You are so wrong.
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If you think one of those teams would put in a waiver claim on Z, much less half of them, you are the one that is [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ruby.gif[/img] . Big time.
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Now you're going to extremes. At least a few of those teams (Milwaukee leaps to mind) could very well claim him.

[leonardsipes]

Z might not be worth 72 million next year, but that does not mean he was not worth 72 million yesterday. There is value in having him for a title run and there is value in securing a top level pitcher. In open bidding, there is no guarentee a gm will get a compareable pitcher at a better price.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=60962:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:51 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60959:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60956:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:45 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 1 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60954:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:39 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60952:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:35 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 1 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60947:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:24 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60944:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:14 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60943:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:12 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Can someone please answer this question. If Zambrano were a free agent, and could sign with any team today, would his contract equal 4 yr / $72M? Because that is basically the argument we are having. I think that answer is no.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a false analogy. If he signed a new contract this offseason, he might not get 4/72, but I think he very well might. That doesn't mean that a team, or numerous teams, wouldn't take on his contract with that left on it.
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There has to be a GM that thinks Z is worth 4 yr/ 72M for him to be claimed. I don't think there is one out there. Evidently you think there are lots og GMs that feel that way. That is the only point I am trying to make with my analogy.
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For free, without trading anything to get him, to have Zambrano under control for 4 years, there would literally be 2 dozen teams putting a claim in for him at that price. To think otherwise is foolish and completely uninformed.
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You are out of your mind if you think 2 dozen teams would pay that for Z with no strings attached. I will name a dozen right now that positively would not.

Pirates
Nats
Marlins
Rays
Toronto
Diamondbacks
A's
Twins
Reds
Brewers
Indians
Royals
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You are so wrong.
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If you think one of those teams would put in a waiver claim on Z, much less half of them, you are the one that is [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ruby.gif[/img] . Big time.
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Now you're going to extremes. At least a few of those teams (Milwaukee leaps to mind) could very well claim him.
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We'll do this again. Could? Yes. Would? Very very unlikely.

[Giff]

<!--quoteo(post=60961:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60960:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Again Coldneck, you used a perfect example of why there's little doubt at least one team would put a claim on him. Alex fucking Rios, he of the .264/.317/.427 slash numbers at the time of his claim and the 6 years, $60+mil left on his contract, got claimed without even making it through a third of the league.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.
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You said yourself they're similar. Now they aren't related at all?

[Kid]

<!--quoteo(post=60961:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60960:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Again Coldneck, you used a perfect example of why there's little doubt at least one team would put a claim on him. Alex fucking Rios, he of the .264/.317/.427 slash numbers at the time of his claim and the 6 years, $60+mil left on his contract, got claimed without even making it through a third of the league.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.
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Well then you've got a perfect little scenario. A directly analogous situation that disproves your theory: "Well that doesn't count because it's Kenny Williams."

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=60965:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:52 PM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60961:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60960:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Again Coldneck, you used a perfect example of why there's little doubt at least one team would put a claim on him. Alex fucking Rios, he of the .264/.317/.427 slash numbers at the time of his claim and the 6 years, $60+mil left on his contract, got claimed without even making it through a third of the league.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You said yourself they're similar. Now they aren't related at all?
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Point to where I said they are similar. You'll be looking a long time because you won't find it.


I said that the White Sox wouldn't make a claim on Z b/c of the commitments they made to Rios and Peavy.

[Kid]

<!--quoteo(post=60958:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:47 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would love to settle this once and for all. Is there a place that 1)We can find out if Z was placed on waivers and 2) We can determine if he was claimed by a team?

I tend to think that if he was claimed his name would have hit the newspapers similar to Harden and Heilman. I also tend to believe that he was placed on waivers because nearly all players typically are. I'd love to be able to confirm this one way or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your position that we'd have known if he'd have been claimed is just wrong. Hendry said yesterday that about a dozen players were claimed over the course of August, it just happened that only Harden and Heilman were leaked.

[Kid]

<!--quoteo(post=60962:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:51 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60959:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60956:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:45 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 1 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60954:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:39 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60952:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:35 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 1 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60947:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:24 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60944:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:14 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60943:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:12 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Can someone please answer this question. If Zambrano were a free agent, and could sign with any team today, would his contract equal 4 yr / $72M? Because that is basically the argument we are having. I think that answer is no.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a false analogy. If he signed a new contract this offseason, he might not get 4/72, but I think he very well might. That doesn't mean that a team, or numerous teams, wouldn't take on his contract with that left on it.
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There has to be a GM that thinks Z is worth 4 yr/ 72M for him to be claimed. I don't think there is one out there. Evidently you think there are lots og GMs that feel that way. That is the only point I am trying to make with my analogy.
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For free, without trading anything to get him, to have Zambrano under control for 4 years, there would literally be 2 dozen teams putting a claim in for him at that price. To think otherwise is foolish and completely uninformed.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You are out of your mind if you think 2 dozen teams would pay that for Z with no strings attached. I will name a dozen right now that positively would not.

Pirates
Nats
Marlins
Rays
Toronto
Diamondbacks
A's
Twins
Reds
Brewers
Indians
Royals
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You are so wrong.
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If you think one of those teams would put in a waiver claim on Z, much less half of them, you are the one that is [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ruby.gif[/img] . Big time.
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Now you're going to extremes. At least a few of those teams (Milwaukee leaps to mind) could very well claim him.
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you had an interdimensional Viewmaster that allowed you to see exactly what happened in an alternate reality.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=60966:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:54 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60961:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60960:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Again Coldneck, you used a perfect example of why there's little doubt at least one team would put a claim on him. Alex fucking Rios, he of the .264/.317/.427 slash numbers at the time of his claim and the 6 years, $60+mil left on his contract, got claimed without even making it through a third of the league.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.
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Well then you've got a perfect little scenario. A directly analogous situation that disproves your theory: "Well that doesn't count because it's Kenny Williams."
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I've said before that all it takes is one idiot GM. Could it happen... absolutely. Would it happen... I seriously doubt it. I think Ken Williams was the only GM that would possible make such an idiotic move. The BJs lucked out and the Methheads will be paying for it the next 6 years.

[Kid]

<!--quoteo(post=60969:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:56 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60962:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:51 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60959:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60956:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:45 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 1 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60954:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:39 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60952:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:35 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 1 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60947:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:24 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60944:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:14 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60943:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:12 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Can someone please answer this question. If Zambrano were a free agent, and could sign with any team today, would his contract equal 4 yr / $72M? Because that is basically the argument we are having. I think that answer is no.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a false analogy. If he signed a new contract this offseason, he might not get 4/72, but I think he very well might. That doesn't mean that a team, or numerous teams, wouldn't take on his contract with that left on it.
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There has to be a GM that thinks Z is worth 4 yr/ 72M for him to be claimed. I don't think there is one out there. Evidently you think there are lots og GMs that feel that way. That is the only point I am trying to make with my analogy.
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For free, without trading anything to get him, to have Zambrano under control for 4 years, there would literally be 2 dozen teams putting a claim in for him at that price. To think otherwise is foolish and completely uninformed.
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You are out of your mind if you think 2 dozen teams would pay that for Z with no strings attached. I will name a dozen right now that positively would not.

Pirates
Nats
Marlins
Rays
Toronto
Diamondbacks
A's
Twins
Reds
Brewers
Indians
Royals
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You are so wrong.
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If you think one of those teams would put in a waiver claim on Z, much less half of them, you are the one that is [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ruby.gif[/img] . Big time.
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Now you're going to extremes. At least a few of those teams (Milwaukee leaps to mind) could very well claim him.
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you had an interdimensional Viewmaster that allowed you to see exactly what happened in an alternate reality.
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This was obviously supposed to be in reply to your reply.

[Giff]

<!--quoteo(post=60967:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:55 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60965:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:52 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60961:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60960:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Again Coldneck, you used a perfect example of why there's little doubt at least one team would put a claim on him. Alex fucking Rios, he of the .264/.317/.427 slash numbers at the time of his claim and the 6 years, $60+mil left on his contract, got claimed without even making it through a third of the league.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.
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You said yourself they're similar. Now they aren't related at all?
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Point to where I said they are similar. You'll be looking a long time because you won't find it.


I said that the White Sox wouldn't make a claim on Z b/c of the commitments they made to Rios and Peavy.
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http://www.thecubsbrickyard.com/sonsofivy/...ost&p=60922
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->I realize it would only take one GM, but it would be a move very similar to the Alex Rios move by Ken Williams.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Kid]

<!--quoteo(post=60970:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:57 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60966:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:54 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Sep 1 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60961:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60960:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Again Coldneck, you used a perfect example of why there's little doubt at least one team would put a claim on him. Alex fucking Rios, he of the .264/.317/.427 slash numbers at the time of his claim and the 6 years, $60+mil left on his contract, got claimed without even making it through a third of the league.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.
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Well then you've got a perfect little scenario. A directly analogous situation that disproves your theory: "Well that doesn't count because it's Kenny Williams."
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I've said before that all it takes is one idiot GM. Could it happen... absolutely. Would it happen... I seriously doubt it. I think Ken Williams was the only GM that would possible make such an idiotic move. The BJs lucked out and the Methheads will be paying for it the next 6 years.
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Here's the problem with your argument. Your position is based only on faith. I can't unequivocally say that you're wrong, but I can point to the fact that it only took 20% of the teams to have the right to claim Rios before he was claimed. Your position is "I don't believe it would happen" which is based on nothing more than your belief. Could you be right? Yes. But when you take a position that can't be disproven because it's nothing more than blind belief, there's not really much of a point to continuing this discussion.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=60972:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:59 PM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60967:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:55 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60965:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:52 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60961:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 1 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60960:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Sep 1 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Again Coldneck, you used a perfect example of why there's little doubt at least one team would put a claim on him. Alex fucking Rios, he of the .264/.317/.427 slash numbers at the time of his claim and the 6 years, $60+mil left on his contract, got claimed without even making it through a third of the league.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.
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You said yourself they're similar. Now they aren't related at all?
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Point to where I said they are similar. You'll be looking a long time because you won't find it.


I said that the White Sox wouldn't make a claim on Z b/c of the commitments they made to Rios and Peavy.
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http://www.thecubsbrickyard.com/sonsofivy/...ost&p=60922
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->I realize it would only take one GM, but it would be a move very similar to the Alex Rios move by Ken Williams.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I stand by that. I think KW was the only one dumb enough to pick up Rios. I don't think another GM would pick up Zambrano.

[Coldneck]

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One is not related to the other. Just b/c Ken Williams is a fucking moron doesn't mean the rest of the GMs are.
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Well then you've got a perfect little scenario. A directly analogous situation that disproves your theory: "Well that doesn't count because it's Kenny Williams."
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I've said before that all it takes is one idiot GM. Could it happen... absolutely. Would it happen... I seriously doubt it. I think Ken Williams was the only GM that would possible make such an idiotic move. The BJs lucked out and the Methheads will be paying for it the next 6 years.
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Here's the problem with your argument. Your position is based only on faith. I can't unequivocally say that you're wrong, but I can point to the fact that it only took 20% of the teams to have the right to claim Rios before he was claimed. Your position is "I don't believe it would happen" which is based on nothing more than your belief. Could you be right? Yes. But when you take a position that can't be disproven because it's nothing more than blind belief, there's not really much of a point to continuing this discussion.
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The opposite opinon is based on that exact same faith. There is no way for one to prove or disprove the other unless something is published saying Z was released and was or wasn't claimed.