Average Opening Day Salary Drops 17%

[rok]

The signature after every post and overuse of emoticons and web shorthand is what gives me pause. I try not to pay attention to the content or lack thereof of "her" posts.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=87349:date=Apr 9 2010, 06:34 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 9 2010, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87262:date=Apr 8 2010, 08:48 PM:name=Anna2010)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anna2010 @ Apr 8 2010, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be jobs to raise a family on, despite what some liberal politicians may try to claim. They were intended to be entry level jobs for high school & college age kids to develop job stills or for people to work as secondary jobs. As we develop our employment still then we "graduate" to the next level in our working careers and we begin to earn more money.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Your views on minimum wage employment are a Republican fantasy.

As our manufacturing sector continues to contract and we become ever more a service economy, the ratio of grownups with families to up-the-ladder jobs becomes increasingly out of wack.

Service jobs cannot be outsourced. Tasks that must be performed in our homes, our retail stores, our hospitals, our office buildings and our restaurants...must be performed on premises. Since demand for this labor is not going to be diminishing any time soon, it's a free-market wet dream to eliminate as many better paying jobs as possible.

Moving manufacturing and tech jobs offshore accomplishes two things. It reduces these costs of doing business and puts more people in competition for the remaining, menial jobs, thereby putting downward pressure on the value of that labor. This results in real, adjusted earning power by people in the service sector falling off a cliff relative to what it costs to support a family above the poverty line.

I'll skip the part of my response that describes the importance of undocumented workers to this G.O.P. utopia, and how hypocritical conservatives rail against them out of one side of their mouth to score political points with xenophobes while at the same time refusing to do anything that would undermine the benefits they harvest from having a cheap, fearful source of labor ever present.

The idea that grocery baggers, bus boys, groundskeepers, etc. are primarily young people entering the workforce, hasn't been true for decades. Our economy needs a lot of people doing this work and frankly, <i>making more people</i> to do the work. Allowing them (us) to live and raise their families in dignity and security is the right thing to do.

Further, the standard conservative arguments and criticisms regarding low-wage earners are dishonest. Examples of individuals who have educated or entrepreneured themselves out of poverty are a canard and irrelevant. Individuals can do this, for sure. But there is not room in our economy for tens of millions of additional people to do this. Unskilled labor must still be done by many millions of people.

There is no America possible where 300 million people reside in the middle class. It is possible to decrease the rate at which the gap between the rich and poor grows. Our tax system needs to reward reinvestment in hiring, research and development, infrastructure, the provision of healthcare, etc., so that the oligarchs running things have incentive to do the sort of things that diminish that gap, rather than just stuff another billion into their golden mattresses.

Nothing that smells any good trickles down. The free market is frankly a myth. It's a game rigged by the interests that have the leverage to rig it.

If it's not managed better the number of people that can afford to buy all the crap shrinks. We have a consumerist culture that has done a really good job of keeping people lusting after things they can do without. But there are limits. Ask anyone that owns a restaurant or a clothing store what the recession has done to consumer behavior. And remember when gas was pushing $4 in '08? Pushed, people will begin to exercise discretion.

Pushed, people can get real ugly too. Where do you think all this circle the wagons tea bagger crap comes from?

Economies managed for the benefit of the few lead to revolutions. A decent minimum wage is a part of having a society where the people that we rely on to do the least pleasant tasks can do so in dignity and security.
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You have way too much time on your hands.

[vitaminB]

<!--quoteo(post=87417:date=Apr 9 2010, 12:38 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 9 2010, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87349:date=Apr 9 2010, 06:34 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 9 2010, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87262:date=Apr 8 2010, 08:48 PM:name=Anna2010)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anna2010 @ Apr 8 2010, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be jobs to raise a family on, despite what some liberal politicians may try to claim. They were intended to be entry level jobs for high school & college age kids to develop job stills or for people to work as secondary jobs. As we develop our employment still then we "graduate" to the next level in our working careers and we begin to earn more money.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Your views on minimum wage employment are a Republican fantasy.

As our manufacturing sector continues to contract and we become ever more a service economy, the ratio of grownups with families to up-the-ladder jobs becomes increasingly out of wack.

Service jobs cannot be outsourced. Tasks that must be performed in our homes, our retail stores, our hospitals, our office buildings and our restaurants...must be performed on premises. Since demand for this labor is not going to be diminishing any time soon, it's a free-market wet dream to eliminate as many better paying jobs as possible.

Moving manufacturing and tech jobs offshore accomplishes two things. It reduces these costs of doing business and puts more people in competition for the remaining, menial jobs, thereby putting downward pressure on the value of that labor. This results in real, adjusted earning power by people in the service sector falling off a cliff relative to what it costs to support a family above the poverty line.

I'll skip the part of my response that describes the importance of undocumented workers to this G.O.P. utopia, and how hypocritical conservatives rail against them out of one side of their mouth to score political points with xenophobes while at the same time refusing to do anything that would undermine the benefits they harvest from having a cheap, fearful source of labor ever present.

The idea that grocery baggers, bus boys, groundskeepers, etc. are primarily young people entering the workforce, hasn't been true for decades. Our economy needs a lot of people doing this work and frankly, <i>making more people</i> to do the work. Allowing them (us) to live and raise their families in dignity and security is the right thing to do.

Further, the standard conservative arguments and criticisms regarding low-wage earners are dishonest. Examples of individuals who have educated or entrepreneured themselves out of poverty are a canard and irrelevant. Individuals can do this, for sure. But there is not room in our economy for tens of millions of additional people to do this. Unskilled labor must still be done by many millions of people.

There is no America possible where 300 million people reside in the middle class. It is possible to decrease the rate at which the gap between the rich and poor grows. Our tax system needs to reward reinvestment in hiring, research and development, infrastructure, the provision of healthcare, etc., so that the oligarchs running things have incentive to do the sort of things that diminish that gap, rather than just stuff another billion into their golden mattresses.

Nothing that smells any good trickles down. The free market is frankly a myth. It's a game rigged by the interests that have the leverage to rig it.

If it's not managed better the number of people that can afford to buy all the crap shrinks. We have a consumerist culture that has done a really good job of keeping people lusting after things they can do without. But there are limits. Ask anyone that owns a restaurant or a clothing store what the recession has done to consumer behavior. And remember when gas was pushing $4 in '08? Pushed, people will begin to exercise discretion.

Pushed, people can get real ugly too. Where do you think all this circle the wagons tea bagger crap comes from?

Economies managed for the benefit of the few lead to revolutions. A decent minimum wage is a part of having a society where the people that we rely on to do the least pleasant tasks can do so in dignity and security.
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You have way too much time on your hands.
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I'm guessing it's a result of some Mexican taking his job bussing tables at Applebees.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=87421:date=Apr 9 2010, 09:56 AM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Apr 9 2010, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87417:date=Apr 9 2010, 12:38 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 9 2010, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87349:date=Apr 9 2010, 06:34 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 9 2010, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87262:date=Apr 8 2010, 08:48 PM:name=Anna2010)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anna2010 @ Apr 8 2010, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be jobs to raise a family on, despite what some liberal politicians may try to claim. They were intended to be entry level jobs for high school & college age kids to develop job stills or for people to work as secondary jobs. As we develop our employment still then we "graduate" to the next level in our working careers and we begin to earn more money.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Your views on minimum wage employment are a Republican fantasy.

As our manufacturing sector continues to contract and we become ever more a service economy, the ratio of grownups with families to up-the-ladder jobs becomes increasingly out of wack.

Service jobs cannot be outsourced. Tasks that must be performed in our homes, our retail stores, our hospitals, our office buildings and our restaurants...must be performed on premises. Since demand for this labor is not going to be diminishing any time soon, it's a free-market wet dream to eliminate as many better paying jobs as possible.

Moving manufacturing and tech jobs offshore accomplishes two things. It reduces these costs of doing business and puts more people in competition for the remaining, menial jobs, thereby putting downward pressure on the value of that labor. This results in real, adjusted earning power by people in the service sector falling off a cliff relative to what it costs to support a family above the poverty line.

I'll skip the part of my response that describes the importance of undocumented workers to this G.O.P. utopia, and how hypocritical conservatives rail against them out of one side of their mouth to score political points with xenophobes while at the same time refusing to do anything that would undermine the benefits they harvest from having a cheap, fearful source of labor ever present.

The idea that grocery baggers, bus boys, groundskeepers, etc. are primarily young people entering the workforce, hasn't been true for decades. Our economy needs a lot of people doing this work and frankly, <i>making more people</i> to do the work. Allowing them (us) to live and raise their families in dignity and security is the right thing to do.

Further, the standard conservative arguments and criticisms regarding low-wage earners are dishonest. Examples of individuals who have educated or entrepreneured themselves out of poverty are a canard and irrelevant. Individuals can do this, for sure. But there is not room in our economy for tens of millions of additional people to do this. Unskilled labor must still be done by many millions of people.

There is no America possible where 300 million people reside in the middle class. It is possible to decrease the rate at which the gap between the rich and poor grows. Our tax system needs to reward reinvestment in hiring, research and development, infrastructure, the provision of healthcare, etc., so that the oligarchs running things have incentive to do the sort of things that diminish that gap, rather than just stuff another billion into their golden mattresses.

Nothing that smells any good trickles down. The free market is frankly a myth. It's a game rigged by the interests that have the leverage to rig it.

If it's not managed better the number of people that can afford to buy all the crap shrinks. We have a consumerist culture that has done a really good job of keeping people lusting after things they can do without. But there are limits. Ask anyone that owns a restaurant or a clothing store what the recession has done to consumer behavior. And remember when gas was pushing $4 in '08? Pushed, people will begin to exercise discretion.

Pushed, people can get real ugly too. Where do you think all this circle the wagons tea bagger crap comes from?

Economies managed for the benefit of the few lead to revolutions. A decent minimum wage is a part of having a society where the people that we rely on to do the least pleasant tasks can do so in dignity and security.
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You have way too much time on your hands.
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I'm guessing it's a result of some Mexican taking his job bussing tables at Applebees.
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I'd rather have Juan making my fajitas than some white dude with a soul patch.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=87421:date=Apr 9 2010, 11:56 AM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Apr 9 2010, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87417:date=Apr 9 2010, 12:38 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 9 2010, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87349:date=Apr 9 2010, 06:34 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 9 2010, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87262:date=Apr 8 2010, 08:48 PM:name=Anna2010)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anna2010 @ Apr 8 2010, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be jobs to raise a family on, despite what some liberal politicians may try to claim. They were intended to be entry level jobs for high school & college age kids to develop job stills or for people to work as secondary jobs. As we develop our employment still then we "graduate" to the next level in our working careers and we begin to earn more money.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Your views on minimum wage employment are a Republican fantasy.

As our manufacturing sector continues to contract and we become ever more a service economy, the ratio of grownups with families to up-the-ladder jobs becomes increasingly out of wack.

Service jobs cannot be outsourced. Tasks that must be performed in our homes, our retail stores, our hospitals, our office buildings and our restaurants...must be performed on premises. Since demand for this labor is not going to be diminishing any time soon, it's a free-market wet dream to eliminate as many better paying jobs as possible.

Moving manufacturing and tech jobs offshore accomplishes two things. It reduces these costs of doing business and puts more people in competition for the remaining, menial jobs, thereby putting downward pressure on the value of that labor. This results in real, adjusted earning power by people in the service sector falling off a cliff relative to what it costs to support a family above the poverty line.

I'll skip the part of my response that describes the importance of undocumented workers to this G.O.P. utopia, and how hypocritical conservatives rail against them out of one side of their mouth to score political points with xenophobes while at the same time refusing to do anything that would undermine the benefits they harvest from having a cheap, fearful source of labor ever present.

The idea that grocery baggers, bus boys, groundskeepers, etc. are primarily young people entering the workforce, hasn't been true for decades. Our economy needs a lot of people doing this work and frankly, <i>making more people</i> to do the work. Allowing them (us) to live and raise their families in dignity and security is the right thing to do.

Further, the standard conservative arguments and criticisms regarding low-wage earners are dishonest. Examples of individuals who have educated or entrepreneured themselves out of poverty are a canard and irrelevant. Individuals can do this, for sure. But there is not room in our economy for tens of millions of additional people to do this. Unskilled labor must still be done by many millions of people.

There is no America possible where 300 million people reside in the middle class. It is possible to decrease the rate at which the gap between the rich and poor grows. Our tax system needs to reward reinvestment in hiring, research and development, infrastructure, the provision of healthcare, etc., so that the oligarchs running things have incentive to do the sort of things that diminish that gap, rather than just stuff another billion into their golden mattresses.

Nothing that smells any good trickles down. The free market is frankly a myth. It's a game rigged by the interests that have the leverage to rig it.

If it's not managed better the number of people that can afford to buy all the crap shrinks. We have a consumerist culture that has done a really good job of keeping people lusting after things they can do without. But there are limits. Ask anyone that owns a restaurant or a clothing store what the recession has done to consumer behavior. And remember when gas was pushing $4 in '08? Pushed, people will begin to exercise discretion.

Pushed, people can get real ugly too. Where do you think all this circle the wagons tea bagger crap comes from?

Economies managed for the benefit of the few lead to revolutions. A decent minimum wage is a part of having a society where the people that we rely on to do the least pleasant tasks can do so in dignity and security.
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You have way too much time on your hands.
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I'm guessing it's a result of some Mexican taking his job bussing tables at Applebees.
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It's a result of being on painkillers on my day off.

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

<!--quoteo(post=87364:date=Apr 9 2010, 10:42 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Apr 9 2010, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87360:date=Apr 9 2010, 10:39 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 9 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87350:date=Apr 9 2010, 08:35 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 9 2010, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Now THAT was too long.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I read the whole thing, though. Good stuff.
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Or a bunch of bullshit, depending on your point of view.
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When stumped for rebuttal, call bullshit. An age-old classic.

[bz]

Coldneck and Anna are asshats.

Anna, you are a 45 year old dude trolling for kiddy porn or attention from your basement.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=87433:date=Apr 9 2010, 01:54 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)-->QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Apr 9 2010, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87364:date=Apr 9 2010, 10:42 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Apr 9 2010, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87360:date=Apr 9 2010, 10:39 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 9 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87350:date=Apr 9 2010, 08:35 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 9 2010, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Now THAT was too long.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I read the whole thing, though. Good stuff.
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Or a bunch of bullshit, depending on your point of view.
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When stumped for rebuttal, call bullshit. An age-old classic.
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I don't have the time or the want to write a several paragraph rebuttal. I called bullshit because, while well written, I disagree with pretty much everything he said. Its impossible to express an opinion thats not extreme left on this board without escaping insult. The scarey thing is I am not even a conservative or republican. I voted for Obama, and several other dems. But jacking the minimum wage up has negative effects (as well as positive) on the very people who depend on minimum wage jobs. The key is proper balance. The free market system, while not perfect, is one the top reasons why the U.S. has been such a successful country. Again, this is my opinion and you won't be able to change it - so I wouldn't spend any time trying.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=87445:date=Apr 9 2010, 02:08 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Apr 9 2010, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Coldneck and Anna are asshats.

Anna, you are a 45 year old dude trolling for kiddy porn or attention from your basement.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really BZ, you can suck a bag of sharp dicks. I'm pretty fucking sure I'm not the only one who disagrees with Straw's and your line of thinking. Nobody else is going to speak up because its not worth the effort to be a 25-1 underdog in this type of argument.

[veryzer]

I don't understand what any of you are talking about. Why can't we just talk about boobs, and gaiety and anal sex like we used to?

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

<!--quoteo(post=87448:date=Apr 9 2010, 02:13 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Apr 9 2010, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't have the time or the want to write a several paragraph rebuttal. I called bullshit because, while well written, I disagree with pretty much everything he said. Its impossible to express an opinion thats not extreme left on this board without escaping insult.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I understand that it's no fun being in the minority, but I wonder what "insult" means to you on a reference board where members are suggesting daily that their fellow posters fellate themselves. I am very curious about how debate is manifested in public (call it an occupational interest). No doubt, the heat gets turned up on those in the minority of any given opinion. Just throwing this out there: does this pressure cause the person holding the opinion to get more defensive (and more likely to label things "insults") on online discussion boards.? I can see that if your every post is being responded to by five other members. This makes more work for the person holding the minority view, sure. Hmm. I'm not try to be pedantic here; sorry if it seems so.

And, for the record, I think only a couple members here (myself included) hold "extreme leftist" views. Most are left of center to some degree, but hardly extreme.

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And they say debate is dead.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=87449:date=Apr 9 2010, 01:16 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Apr 9 2010, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87445:date=Apr 9 2010, 02:08 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Apr 9 2010, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Coldneck and Anna are asshats.

Anna, you are a 45 year old dude trolling for kiddy porn or attention from your basement.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really BZ, you can suck a bag of sharp dicks. I'm pretty fucking sure I'm not the only one who disagrees with Straw's and your line of thinking. Nobody else is going to speak up because its not worth the effort to be a 25-1 underdog in this type of argument.
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I believe in a minimum wage for personal reasons, but from an economic standpoint it definitely has contributed to some off-shoring over the years. Now, we can debate what the level of minimum wage should be, but anyone's guess is as good as the next guy's as far as how you determine what it should be. Personally, I hate that Congress is left to decide because then it becomes more about politics than about economics. It should simply adjust with inflation.

[jstraw]

The minimum wage has never off-shored a fry cook, hospital orderly or hotel housekeeper.

I realize that all the economic consequences of a minimum wage are not cause for celebration but you can't re-distrubute wealth without it costing the rest of us <i>something</i>. I just don't feel entitled to cheap this or that at the cost of having the people that provide it to me living in poverty...or getting used up only to retire into poverty. Whatever it is, I'll pay a nickel more for it gladly, if it means someone sweeping the warehouse gets health benefits. I'd be delighted if the tax system provided incentives to management to kick in a nickel from their side of the equation too.

Entrusting social equity to the apostles of the free market has never increased the likelihood of a non-sharehlder (be that a worker, a customer, a resident near a factory...) getting a square deal.

I don't consider my view radical as much as I consider it enlightened self-interest. I don't want to live in fear of a desperate underclass.

[bz]

<!--quoteo(post=87449:date=Apr 9 2010, 01:16 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Apr 9 2010, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87445:date=Apr 9 2010, 02:08 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Apr 9 2010, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Coldneck and Anna are asshats.

Anna, you are a 45 year old dude trolling for kiddy porn or attention from your basement.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really BZ, you can suck a bag of sharp dicks. I'm pretty fucking sure I'm not the only one who disagrees with Straw's and your line of thinking. Nobody else is going to speak up because its not worth the effort to be a 25-1 underdog in this type of argument.
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Post something supporting your argument (any argument) once in a while and you wouldn't be an asshat.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=87469:date=Apr 9 2010, 11:49 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 9 2010, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The minimum wage has never off-shored a fry cook, hospital orderly or hotel housekeeper.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not sure if you mentioned it because I really refuse to read your novel, but doesn't hiring undocumented workers to do those jobs produce the same result as outsourcing? It's Americans losing jobs, same result.