MLB News & Notes (other than Cubs or Sox)

[Coldneck]

No way I give him a 5 year deal. No way I pay him as a #2. Nobody is going to do that regardless of his desires. But if he'll take the deal I mentioned before, thus mitigating the risk substantially, than I take him and I'm happy to have him. I don't like him as a person. Never have. But I recognize value, and at 2/25 there's a ton of value. I agree it won't happen. But for you guys to say you don't want him at any price based on emotion is short sighted. 

[jstraw]

He burned bridges. He didn't have to do that.

[Butcher]

No way I give him a 5 year deal. No way I pay him as a #2. Nobody is going to do that regardless of his desires. But if he'll take the deal I mentioned before, thus mitigating the risk substantially, than I take him and I'm happy to have him. I don't like him as a person. Never have. But I recognize value, and at 2/25 there's a ton of value. I agree it won't happen. But for you guys to say you don't want him at any price based on emotion is short sighted. 

Any price might have been hyperbolic. But unless we could get him for the same salary we're paying Hendricks, I think we'd be overpaying him.

[funkster]

Incidentally, Hendricks has been pretty valuable this year despite some of his terrible starts.

[Kid]

 

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No way I give him a 5 year deal. No way I pay him as a #2. Nobody is going to do that regardless of his desires. But if he'll take the deal I mentioned before, thus mitigating the risk substantially, than I take him and I'm happy to have him. I don't like him as a person. Never have. But I recognize value, and at 2/25 there's a ton of value. I agree it won't happen. But for you guys to say you don't want him at any price based on emotion is short sighted. 

Any price might have been hyperbolic. But unless we could get him for the same salary we're paying Hendricks, I think we'd be overpaying him.

 

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Considering that Hendricks isn't arbitration eligible yet, that will probably be in the ballpark of the $500K he's earning this season.

[AlexV]

I know we're supposed to hate Shark and all but I think you guys are exagerating a little. He definitely has value. After 2014, he's gotta be one of the best rebound candidates for 2016 and for that reason only I think he'll have some healthy offers.

[Bricklayer]

I love how the folks arguing against shark are accused of reacting emotionally, yet the counter arguments are based on actual analysis.  Not liking the guy is just the garnish on the plate of "Samardzija sucks balls"

 

 

 

ERA+: 79. He led the league in hits allowed (228), earned runs given up (118), and home runs allowed (29). - Butcher

 

 

 

As a starter, Shark was good in 2012 (era+ 107), bad in 2013 (89), very good in 2014 (125), terrible in 2015 (79).  He's going to want to be paid as a #2 pitcher.  That lands him pretty solidly in the $13-16M a season area.  He's not worth that, in my opinion -Andy

 

 

 

Look at Shark's peripherals season by season. Aside from 2014, he's been very mediocre, not worth $10-15 mil annually. - Rok

 

 


And if numbers aren't enough, look what happened to the Nats when they got Papelbon.  If you think an angry asshole like shark, who has publicly called out the FO in the past, should be anywhere near this team, you're nuts.

 

He's a replacement level player and that's all.  Those are guys are everywhere so why bring in a known dickhead.  Shit, I'd take my chances with Edwards over that douche.

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

Not that I'm convinced that WAR is the ultimate metric, but over 2012-2015, only 23 starters have accrued more WAR than Samardzija (12.2). I gotta believe that's well above replacement level.

 

Also, I'm not sure how douchey he really is--jilted partners tend to see slight transgressions as larger ones--but I'm confident the FO is better than I am at assessing whether he'd have a place on this team. If they think it's not worth the drama, they won't consider him.

 

Also, I gotta imagine someone will pay him decent money. Hell, the Ddgers gave Brandon McCarthy 4/$48 million last offseason.

 

Nonetheless, I find him douchey and don't really want him around my team.

[rok]

Not that I'm convinced that WAR is the ultimate metric, but over 2012-2015, only 23 starters have accrued more WAR than Samardzija (12.2). I gotta believe that's well above replacement level.

 

Also, I'm not sure how douchey he really is--jilted partners tend to see slight transgressions as larger ones--but I'm confident the FO is better than I am at assessing whether he'd have a place on this team. If they think it's not worth the drama, they won't consider him.

 

Also, I gotta imagine someone will pay him decent money. Hell, the Ddgers gave Brandon McCarthy 4/$48 million last offseason.

 

Nonetheless, I find him douchey and don't really want him around my team.

His fwar total is skewed by 2014 (4.1 fwar), otherwise he's averaged a consistent 2.7 annual. His FIP has also been in the mid-to-high 3's, but we all know how misleading that can be (see EJax). Decent as a mid-to-back end guy, but not worth the ace money that he seeks. And he was disgruntled before the 2014 trade, not just after it. Screw him and his butt-hurtedness.

[1984]

When do they announce Cy Young?

[nakedman1664]

November sometime. And if I remember correctly the votes are put in almost immediately after the season ends, so post season stuff won't matter.

[Andy]

November 12 - 15 is when the awards are all out.

[Kid]

So I was watching the end of the Angels-Rangers game and when they went back to the studio, Pete Rose started a point by saying that he's been watching baseball for 35 years.

 

He was a rookie in the majors in 1963.

[rok]

Does he mean that he never watched games (on tv) until the early 80's when he began betting on them?

[jstraw]

He's a dumbshit? The hell you say!