DeRosa Traded to Indians

[Ace]

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I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.
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<b>One </b>of the guys we got in the trade, Stevens, <b>looks </b>like he could be a <b>great </b>setup guy. I'm not saying it's a worthwhile haul unless <b>the other two are good prospects</b>, but just sayin'.
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*Could be* great setup guy? Sweet.
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I can emphasize stuff, too, butt nugget.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=8384:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8383:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->To put it a different way...

DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?
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We have plenty on our roster to fill out our bullpen already. Our bullpen was solid last year and we're better off without Howry (especially since Lou won't feel whatever weird obligation he had to pitch him every other game anymore). Gregg is a slight downgrade from Wood.

You fill it out with Gregg, Shark, Marshall, Wuertz, Marmol, Cotts, Gaudin, Guzman and maybe some other guys who audition for a bullpen spot in Spring Training. That's plenty of arms to fill out a decent bullpen. We didn't need to trade one of our most valuable players (on both sides of the field) to get a guy who *might* contribute to our bullpen. Also, Bradley is going to play in about 120 games. Wouldn't you feel a whole lot better with DeRosa as his replacement? Or are you OK with Miles playing 40+ games in RF?

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=8387:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:02 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8384:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8383:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->To put it a different way...

DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?
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We have plenty on our roster to fill out our bullpen already. Our bullpen was solid last year and we're better off without Howry (especially since Lou won't feel whatever weird obligation he had to pitch him every other game anymore). Gregg is a slight downgrade from Wood.

You fill it out with Gregg, Shark, Marshall, Wuertz, Marmol, Cotts, Gaudin, Guzman and maybe some other guys who audition for a bullpen spot in Spring Training. That's plenty of arms to fill out a decent bullpen. We didn't need to trade one of our most valuable players (on both sides of the field) to get a guy who *might* contribute to our bullpen. Also, Bradley is going to play in about 120 games. Wouldn't you feel a whole lot better with DeRosa as his replacement? Or are you OK with Miles playing 40+ games in RF?
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Miles won't be playing much, if any, OF for the Cubs.

[Butcher]

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I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.
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So swapping DeRosa for prospects in order to sign Miles and Bradley isn't a good move?

Cubs lose:

DeRosa


Cubs add:

Miles
Bradley
3 prospects

I don't see how that's not a upgrade for both the MLB team and the minor league system.
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Are you talking about next year? Because DeRosa isn't making a whole lot more money than Miles this season. DeRosa is making about half of what Marquis is making. And those 3 prospects appear to be next to worthless.

I don't see the connection between the DeRosa trade and a potential Bradley signing.
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Weren't you just the one that made a post about how money is tight and every penny counts? Assuming that is the case, is it not possible that the $3M saved from trading DeRosa and signing Miles will enable the Cubs to get Bradley? Of course DeRosa and Bradley is better than Miles and DeRosa, but I don't think that was an option.

Also, in the DeRosa trade, we got a 5th rounder from 2 years ago, the closer for Team USA, and another pitching prospect. I don't think it's as weak as a haul as you're trying to make it out to be.
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It's impossible to know for sure, since we haven't seen what our final budget will be, but if it's true that we couldn't afford DeRosa and Bradley but we could afford Miles and Bradley, then it isn't that bad, I guess. But I would guess that we could've found a way to squeeze in the extra 3 million -- especially when you consider how much better DeRosa is than Miles.

Take out the Bradley deal for a second...The closer for team USA, a 5th rounder and another guy? For a player who is making $5.5M and had the 3rd highest OBP for 2nd basemen in baseball -- and can play nearly anywhere on the field? Hendry didn't get equal value in return for DeRosa.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=8388:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:04 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 2 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8387:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:02 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8384:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8383:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->To put it a different way...

DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?
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We have plenty on our roster to fill out our bullpen already. Our bullpen was solid last year and we're better off without Howry (especially since Lou won't feel whatever weird obligation he had to pitch him every other game anymore). Gregg is a slight downgrade from Wood.

You fill it out with Gregg, Shark, Marshall, Wuertz, Marmol, Cotts, Gaudin, Guzman and maybe some other guys who audition for a bullpen spot in Spring Training. That's plenty of arms to fill out a decent bullpen. We didn't need to trade one of our most valuable players (on both sides of the field) to get a guy who *might* contribute to our bullpen. Also, Bradley is going to play in about 120 games. Wouldn't you feel a whole lot better with DeRosa as his replacement? Or are you OK with Miles playing 40+ games in RF?
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Miles won't be playing much, if any, OF for the Cubs.
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Who do you see filling in for Bradley when he inevitably goes on the shelf for 1/4 of the season? Are you psyched about an Alf/Fuk/Reed OF?

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=8390:date=Jan 2 2009, 05:10 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8388:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:04 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 2 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8387:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:02 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8384:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8383:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->To put it a different way...

DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?
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We have plenty on our roster to fill out our bullpen already. Our bullpen was solid last year and we're better off without Howry (especially since Lou won't feel whatever weird obligation he had to pitch him every other game anymore). Gregg is a slight downgrade from Wood.

You fill it out with Gregg, Shark, Marshall, Wuertz, Marmol, Cotts, Gaudin, Guzman and maybe some other guys who audition for a bullpen spot in Spring Training. That's plenty of arms to fill out a decent bullpen. We didn't need to trade one of our most valuable players (on both sides of the field) to get a guy who *might* contribute to our bullpen. Also, Bradley is going to play in about 120 games. Wouldn't you feel a whole lot better with DeRosa as his replacement? Or are you OK with Miles playing 40+ games in RF?
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Miles won't be playing much, if any, OF for the Cubs.
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Who do you see filling in for Bradley when he inevitably goes on the shelf for 1/4 of the season? Are you psyched about an Alf/Fuk/Reed OF?
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We went with that a lot last year, and even an Alf, Fuk, Pie outfield for a bit, and we still won 97 games.

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=8387:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:02 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8384:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Jan 2 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8383:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->To put it a different way...

DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?
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We have plenty on our roster to fill out our bullpen already. Our bullpen was solid last year and we're better off without Howry (especially since Lou won't feel whatever weird obligation he had to pitch him every other game anymore). Gregg is a slight downgrade from Wood.

You fill it out with Gregg, Shark, Marshall, Wuertz, Marmol, Cotts, Gaudin, Guzman and maybe some other guys who audition for a bullpen spot in Spring Training. That's plenty of arms to fill out a decent bullpen. We didn't need to trade one of our most valuable players (on both sides of the field) to get a guy who *might* contribute to our bullpen. Also, Bradley is going to play in about 120 games. Wouldn't you feel a whole lot better with DeRosa as his replacement? Or are you OK with Miles playing 40+ games in RF?
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I'm just a little worried about Cotts and Marshall being our only 2 LHP options out of the pen, especially if we wind up using Marshall in the rotation. I guess Gaub was the only lefty in the deal, and he doesn't look bad, but I guess he's unlikely to make the team next season given his control issues.

[Mikey]

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DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?
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We have plenty on our roster to fill out our bullpen already. Our bullpen was solid last year and we're better off without Howry (especially since Lou won't feel whatever weird obligation he had to pitch him every other game anymore). Gregg is a slight downgrade from Wood.

You fill it out with Gregg, Shark, Marshall, Wuertz, Marmol, Cotts, Gaudin, Guzman and maybe some other guys who audition for a bullpen spot in Spring Training. That's plenty of arms to fill out a decent bullpen. We didn't need to trade one of our most valuable players (on both sides of the field) to get a guy who *might* contribute to our bullpen. Also, Bradley is going to play in about 120 games. Wouldn't you feel a whole lot better with DeRosa as his replacement? Or are you OK with Miles playing 40+ games in RF?
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I'm just a little worried about Cotts and Marshall being our only 2 LHP options out of the pen, especially if we wind up using Marshall in the rotation. I guess Gaub was the only lefty in the deal, and he doesn't look bad, but I guess he's unlikely to make the team next season given his control issues.
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Isn't Gaub in Single A?

[ColoradoCub]

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DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?
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We have plenty on our roster to fill out our bullpen already. Our bullpen was solid last year and we're better off without Howry (especially since Lou won't feel whatever weird obligation he had to pitch him every other game anymore). Gregg is a slight downgrade from Wood.

You fill it out with Gregg, Shark, Marshall, Wuertz, Marmol, Cotts, Gaudin, Guzman and maybe some other guys who audition for a bullpen spot in Spring Training. That's plenty of arms to fill out a decent bullpen. We didn't need to trade one of our most valuable players (on both sides of the field) to get a guy who *might* contribute to our bullpen. Also, Bradley is going to play in about 120 games. Wouldn't you feel a whole lot better with DeRosa as his replacement? Or are you OK with Miles playing 40+ games in RF?
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I'm just a little worried about Cotts and Marshall being our only 2 LHP options out of the pen, especially if we wind up using Marshall in the rotation. I guess Gaub was the only lefty in the deal, and he doesn't look bad, but I guess he's unlikely to make the team next season given his control issues.
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Isn't Gaub in Single A?
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Yeah, but he's also pitched at the college level. He had 100k's in 64 innings last season, and 32 bb's to go with them.

[ruby23]

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DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?
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We have plenty on our roster to fill out our bullpen already. Our bullpen was solid last year and we're better off without Howry (especially since Lou won't feel whatever weird obligation he had to pitch him every other game anymore). Gregg is a slight downgrade from Wood.

You fill it out with Gregg, Shark, Marshall, Wuertz, Marmol, Cotts, Gaudin, Guzman and maybe some other guys who audition for a bullpen spot in Spring Training. That's plenty of arms to fill out a decent bullpen. We didn't need to trade one of our most valuable players (on both sides of the field) to get a guy who *might* contribute to our bullpen. Also, Bradley is going to play in about 120 games. Wouldn't you feel a whole lot better with DeRosa as his replacement? Or are you OK with Miles playing 40+ games in RF?
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Miles won't be playing much, if any, OF for the Cubs.
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Who do you see filling in for Bradley when he inevitably goes on the shelf for 1/4 of the season? Are you psyched about an Alf/Fuk/Reed OF?
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[rok]

Gathright and Fuk would step into LF and RF when Alf and Bradley go on the DL. What's the problem?

[DaveB]

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I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.
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So swapping DeRosa for prospects in order to sign Miles and Bradley isn't a good move?

Cubs lose:

DeRosa


Cubs add:

Miles
Bradley
3 prospects

I don't see how that's not a upgrade for both the MLB team and the minor league system.
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Are you talking about next year? Because DeRosa isn't making a whole lot more money than Miles this season. DeRosa is making about half of what Marquis is making. And those 3 prospects appear to be next to worthless.

I don't see the connection between the DeRosa trade and a potential Bradley signing.
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Weren't you just the one that made a post about how money is tight and every penny counts? Assuming that is the case, is it not possible that the $3M saved from trading DeRosa and signing Miles will enable the Cubs to get Bradley? Of course DeRosa and Bradley is better than Miles and DeRosa, but I don't think that was an option.

Also, in the DeRosa trade, we got a 5th rounder from 2 years ago, the closer for Team USA, and another pitching prospect. I don't think it's as weak as a haul as you're trying to make it out to be.
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It's impossible to know for sure, since we haven't seen what our final budget will be, but if it's true that we couldn't afford DeRosa and Bradley but we could afford Miles and Bradley, then it isn't that bad, I guess. But I would guess that we could've found a way to squeeze in the extra 3 million -- especially when you consider how much better DeRosa is than Miles.

Take out the Bradley deal for a second...The closer for team USA, a 5th rounder and another guy? For a player who is making $5.5M and had the 3rd highest OBP for 2nd basemen in baseball -- and can play nearly anywhere on the field? Hendry didn't get equal value in return for DeRosa.
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I agree with Butcher. If you look at this deal for what it is (not taking into consideration a possible Peavy trade), it was not a good trade. We got no where near the equal value in return for DeRo.

You can argue how it turns out to be a good deal if we get a Jake Peavy or other high-calibur player down the road, but I just can't see how anybody can argue that this is a good deal because we got a "could-be" bullpen pitcher and some Crudinal to replace DeRo.

I see people looking at similarities in statistics between Miles and DeRo when we signed him. But look beyond the stats.

Will Miles provide the same clubhouse leadership that DeRo did?
Will Miles be the charismatic fan favorite that DeRo was?

Nope.

[SandbergMVP1984]

Who will be this year's Kyler Burke?

[rok]

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Will Miles be the charismatic fan favorite that DeRo was?

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I won't make a big deal about this, but clubhouse leadership shouldn't be a problem with this club even though it didn't help us one bit in the playoffs. Clubhouse chemistry is overrated.

I agree with you on the other points about Miles + prospects don't equal DeRosa though. I'm getting antsy to see where this will all lead.

[Runnys]

Have some of you guys thought that maybe DeRo isn't as valuable to other teams as we think he is? Look, I am sure that Hendry would have loved to get a ML ready stud player for Mark, but I am guessing that there weren't too many teams offering that up for a 34 year old player who just had the best year of his career. Hendry has done a great job with most every trade he has made, I am not going to sit here and rip on the guy for the face value of the trade when we don't know what else is in store for this team.