DeRosa Traded to Indians

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=8359:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 2 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8355:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:24 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8346:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:17 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 2 2009, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8342:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:13 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8336:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:11 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 2 2009, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8326:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8324:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:38 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 2 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Miles salary is around 1.5% of the total payroll.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah? What percentage of total payroll is Marquis' salary? About 6%? And yet, Hendry has to dump Marquis' salary in order to make the Bradley signing (or the Peavy trade, or whatever). It's clear that every dollar (or every million dollars) counts right now. And regardless of what percentage of the payroll Miles is eating up, he's making about $2M too much.
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Miles' line last year:
.317/.355/.398

He's no world beater, but I fail to see how he's not worth $2 or $3 M a year.
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That was his best year, by far -- at age 31. I don't see him repeating that.

Have you seen his career numbers?
.289/.329/.364

He's worth about league minimum. Maybe a little more.
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Didn't we used to say a lot of the same things about DeRosa?
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Does Aaron Miles look like he could ever hit close to 20 homers? Look at his frame. He couldn't hit 20 homers off a tee from second base.
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Who's saying Miles is gonna be DeRosa? I'm simply saying the comments are ironic.
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Doesn't your quote above imply a comparison to DeRosa?

[ruby23]

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Yeah? What percentage of total payroll is Marquis' salary? About 6%? And yet, Hendry has to dump Marquis' salary in order to make the Bradley signing (or the Peavy trade, or whatever). It's clear that every dollar (or every million dollars) counts right now. And regardless of what percentage of the payroll Miles is eating up, he's making about $2M too much.
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Miles' line last year:
.317/.355/.398

He's no world beater, but I fail to see how he's not worth $2 or $3 M a year.
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That was his best year, by far -- at age 31. I don't see him repeating that.

Have you seen his career numbers?
.289/.329/.364

He's worth about league minimum. Maybe a little more.
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Didn't we used to say a lot of the same things about DeRosa?
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Does Aaron Miles look like he could ever hit close to 20 homers? Look at his frame. He couldn't hit 20 homers off a tee from second base.
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I bet the combination of Fontenot and Miles will be approach 20 HRs.
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I bet the combination of Fontenot and me will approach 20 HRs. Miles might hit 2 or 3 homers, so you're obviously counting on Fontenot to provide the lion's share.
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I'd be more than happy with 4-5 HRs from Miles and 12-15 from Fontenot, provided they keep their BAs and OBPs consisent with what they did last year.

[Ace]

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Yeah? What percentage of total payroll is Marquis' salary? About 6%? And yet, Hendry has to dump Marquis' salary in order to make the Bradley signing (or the Peavy trade, or whatever). It's clear that every dollar (or every million dollars) counts right now. And regardless of what percentage of the payroll Miles is eating up, he's making about $2M too much.
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Miles' line last year:
.317/.355/.398

He's no world beater, but I fail to see how he's not worth $2 or $3 M a year.
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That was his best year, by far -- at age 31. I don't see him repeating that.

Have you seen his career numbers?
.289/.329/.364

He's worth about league minimum. Maybe a little more.
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Didn't we used to say a lot of the same things about DeRosa?
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Does Aaron Miles look like he could ever hit close to 20 homers? Look at his frame. He couldn't hit 20 homers off a tee from second base.
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Who's saying Miles is gonna be DeRosa? I'm simply saying the comments are ironic.
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Doesn't your quote above imply a comparison to DeRosa?
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No. It implies a comparison of the circumstances surrounding the signing of a utility player coming off a career year in his early 30s to a multi-year deal to the signing of another utility player coming off a career year in his early 30s to a multi-year deal (to replace the first guy... again, more irony).

[Butcher]

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Yeah? What percentage of total payroll is Marquis' salary? About 6%? And yet, Hendry has to dump Marquis' salary in order to make the Bradley signing (or the Peavy trade, or whatever). It's clear that every dollar (or every million dollars) counts right now. And regardless of what percentage of the payroll Miles is eating up, he's making about $2M too much.
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Miles' line last year:
.317/.355/.398

He's no world beater, but I fail to see how he's not worth $2 or $3 M a year.
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That was his best year, by far -- at age 31. I don't see him repeating that.

Have you seen his career numbers?
.289/.329/.364

He's worth about league minimum. Maybe a little more.
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Didn't we used to say a lot of the same things about DeRosa?
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Does Aaron Miles look like he could ever hit close to 20 homers? Look at his frame. He couldn't hit 20 homers off a tee from second base.
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I bet the combination of Fontenot and Miles will be approach 20 HRs.
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I bet the combination of Fontenot and me will approach 20 HRs. Miles might hit 2 or 3 homers, so you're obviously counting on Fontenot to provide the lion's share.
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I'd be more than happy with 4-5 HRs from Miles and 12-15 from Fontenot, provided they keep their BAs and OBPs consisent with what they did last year.
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I would too. But I'd be shocked if Miles' numbers look anything like they did last year.

.307/.349/.385

That's what Tony Womack did in his season with the Cardinals -- two seasons before the Cubs picked him up at the deadline. He was making $300,000 that year as a Cardinal. Then the Yankees picked him up and paid him $2M. He hit .249/.276/.280 as a Yankee.

I'm expecting a similar pattern to emerge with Miles.

[Mikey]

Do you think that Derosa would resign with the Cubs for 2010?

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=8370:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:34 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 2 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8365:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:28 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8359:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 2 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8355:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:24 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8346:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:17 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 2 2009, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8342:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:13 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8336:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:11 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 2 2009, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8326:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8324:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:38 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 2 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Miles salary is around 1.5% of the total payroll.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah? What percentage of total payroll is Marquis' salary? About 6%? And yet, Hendry has to dump Marquis' salary in order to make the Bradley signing (or the Peavy trade, or whatever). It's clear that every dollar (or every million dollars) counts right now. And regardless of what percentage of the payroll Miles is eating up, he's making about $2M too much.
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Miles' line last year:
.317/.355/.398

He's no world beater, but I fail to see how he's not worth $2 or $3 M a year.
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That was his best year, by far -- at age 31. I don't see him repeating that.

Have you seen his career numbers?
.289/.329/.364

He's worth about league minimum. Maybe a little more.
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Didn't we used to say a lot of the same things about DeRosa?
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Does Aaron Miles look like he could ever hit close to 20 homers? Look at his frame. He couldn't hit 20 homers off a tee from second base.
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Who's saying Miles is gonna be DeRosa? I'm simply saying the comments are ironic.
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Doesn't your quote above imply a comparison to DeRosa?
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No. It implies a comparison of the circumstances surrounding the signing of a utility player coming off a career year in his early 30s to a multi-year deal to the signing of another utility player coming off a career year in his early 30s to a multi-year deal (to replace the first guy... again, more irony).
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Are you expecting Miles to continue the work he did as a Cardinal while with us? I certainly don't.

[Ace]

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Yeah? What percentage of total payroll is Marquis' salary? About 6%? And yet, Hendry has to dump Marquis' salary in order to make the Bradley signing (or the Peavy trade, or whatever). It's clear that every dollar (or every million dollars) counts right now. And regardless of what percentage of the payroll Miles is eating up, he's making about $2M too much.
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Miles' line last year:
.317/.355/.398

He's no world beater, but I fail to see how he's not worth $2 or $3 M a year.
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That was his best year, by far -- at age 31. I don't see him repeating that.

Have you seen his career numbers?
.289/.329/.364

He's worth about league minimum. Maybe a little more.
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Didn't we used to say a lot of the same things about DeRosa?
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Does Aaron Miles look like he could ever hit close to 20 homers? Look at his frame. He couldn't hit 20 homers off a tee from second base.
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Who's saying Miles is gonna be DeRosa? I'm simply saying the comments are ironic.
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Doesn't your quote above imply a comparison to DeRosa?
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No. It implies a comparison of the circumstances surrounding the signing of a utility player coming off a career year in his early 30s to a multi-year deal to the signing of another utility player coming off a career year in his early 30s to a multi-year deal (to replace the first guy... again, more irony).
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Are you expecting Miles to continue the work he did as a Cardinal while with us? I certainly don't.
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No, I am not.

But I wasn't expecting DeRosa to duplicate his career year, either (and then improve on it).

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=8372:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM:name=Mikey)-->QUOTE (Mikey @ Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Do you think that Derosa would resign with the Cubs for 2010?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=8376:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:39 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8372:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM:name=Mikey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mikey @ Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Do you think that Derosa would resign with the Cubs for 2010?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.
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One of the guys we got in the trade, Stevens, looks like he could be a great setup guy. I'm not saying it's a worthwhile haul unless the other two are good prospects, but just sayin'.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=8377:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:40 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 2 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8376:date=Jan 2 2009, 04:39 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8372:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM:name=Mikey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mikey @ Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Do you think that Derosa would resign with the Cubs for 2010?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.
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One of the guys we got in the trade, Stevens, looks like he could be a great setup guy. I'm not saying it's a worthwhile haul unless the other two are good prospects, but just sayin'.
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*Could be* great setup guy? Sweet.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=8376:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:39 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8372:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM:name=Mikey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mikey @ Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Do you think that Derosa would resign with the Cubs for 2010?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.
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So swapping DeRosa for prospects in order to sign Miles and Bradley isn't a good move?

Cubs lose:

DeRosa


Cubs add:

Miles
Bradley
3 prospects

I don't see how that's not a upgrade for both the MLB team and the minor league system.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=8380:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:43 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 2 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8376:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:39 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=8372:date=Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM:name=Mikey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mikey @ Jan 2 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Do you think that Derosa would resign with the Cubs for 2010?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.
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So swapping DeRosa for prospects in order to sign Miles and Bradley isn't a good move?

Cubs lose:

DeRosa


Cubs add:

Miles
Bradley
3 prospects

I don't see how that's not a upgrade for both the MLB team and the minor league system.
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Are you talking about next year? Because DeRosa isn't making a whole lot more money than Miles this season. DeRosa is making about half of what Marquis is making. And those 3 prospects appear to be next to worthless.

I don't see the connection between the DeRosa trade and a potential Bradley signing.

[Butcher]

To put it a different way...

DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=8383:date=Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->To put it a different way...

DeRosa + Bradley > Miles + Bradley + 3 shit prospects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It sounds to me like at least one of those guys can contribute in our bullpen, and last I checked, our bullpen was pretty thin. If we hardly have money to sign Bradley where was the money to fill holes in the bullpen going to come from?

[ruby23]

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I wouldn't want him back for 2010 -- not for the money he will likely get. But he was making $5.5M this year -- an absolute bargain for DeRosa. There was no reason to trade him unless we got something of value in return. And it appears that we didn't.
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So swapping DeRosa for prospects in order to sign Miles and Bradley isn't a good move?

Cubs lose:

DeRosa


Cubs add:

Miles
Bradley
3 prospects

I don't see how that's not a upgrade for both the MLB team and the minor league system.
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Are you talking about next year? Because DeRosa isn't making a whole lot more money than Miles this season. DeRosa is making about half of what Marquis is making. And those 3 prospects appear to be next to worthless.

I don't see the connection between the DeRosa trade and a potential Bradley signing.
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Weren't you just the one that made a post about how money is tight and every penny counts? Assuming that is the case, is it not possible that the $3M saved from trading DeRosa and signing Miles will enable the Cubs to get Bradley? Of course DeRosa and Bradley is better than Miles and DeRosa, but I don't think that was an option.

Also, in the DeRosa trade, we got a 5th rounder from 2 years ago, the closer for Team USA, and another pitching prospect. I don't think it's as weak as a haul as you're trying to make it out to be.