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All stolen from NSBB, cuz I'm too lazy to look the stuff up.
<b>Dominican Winter League
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec--></b>Welington Castillo (Licey): 2/8, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 PB - .250/.333/.250/.583
Doug Deeds (Azucareros): 13/58, 1 2B, 1 3B, 4 BB, 12 K - .224/.274/.276/.550
Jake Fox (Licey): 41/116, 13 2B, 3 HR, 11 BB, 23 K, 1 HBP, 0/2 SB, 4 E - .353/.412/.543/.955
Felix Pie (Licey): 17/56, 4 2B, 1 HR, 2 BB, 10 K, 4/4 SB, 2 E, .304/.328/.429/.757
Carlos Marmol (Licey): 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 GO-1 FO, 0.00 ERA
Marcos Mateo (Estrellas): 6 IP, 12 H, 4 ER, 3 BB, 5 K, 1 HR, 1 WP, 8 GO-6 FO - 6.00 ERA
Billy Petrick (Licey): 0.2 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 0 GO-2 FO - 40.50 ERA<b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Venezuelan Winter League
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec--></b>Andres Blanco (Zulia): 58/207, 13 2B, 2 HR, 21 BB, 31 K, 3 HBP, 19 E, 5/8 SB - .280/.363/.372/.735
Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 53/185, 10 2B, 1 3B, 4 HR, 16 BB, 36 K, 2 HBP, 11 E, 1/2 SB - .286/.350/.416/.766
Sam Fuld (Aragua): 64/199, 16 2B, 5 3B, 4 HR, 36 BB, 20 K, 2 HBP, 4/7 SB, 2 E, 5 OF assists - .322/.425/.513/.940
Marwin Gonzalez (Caracas): 0/4
Jonathan Mota (Aragua): 4/12, 2 2B, 1 HR, 2 BB, 1 K - .333/.429/.417/.845
Jose Ascanio (Caracas): 29 IP, 21 H, 10 ER, 13 BB, 21 K, 2 WP, 2 HR, 27 GO-37 FO - 3.10 ERA
Justin Berg (Aragua): 13.2 IP, 16 H, 15 ER, 11 BB, 10 K, 2 HBP, 1 WP, 1 HR, 20 GO-10 FO - 9.88 ERA
Angel Guzman (Magallanes): 26 IP, 33 H, 16 ER, 11 BB, 18 K, 1 WP, 4 HR, 29 GO-24 FO - 5.54 ERA
Rich Hill (Aragua): 21 IP, 23 H, 16 ER, 23 BB, 16 K, 3 HBP, 1 HR, 7 WP, 25 GO-19 FO - 6.86 ERA<b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mexican Pacific League
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec--></b>Marco Carrillo: 14.1 IP, 14 H, 8 ER, 8 BB, 11 K, 1 HR, 9 GO-20 FO - 5.02 ERA<b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Man, that's a pretty gruesome list. At least Fox pounded the ball. Marmol was Marmol for 2 innings.
You'd think Guzman, Cedeno and Pie would do a whole lot better than those numbers, especially considering the competition.
Rich Hill....sigh.
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<!--quoteo(post=9860:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, that's a pretty gruesome list. At least Fox pounded the ball. Marmol was Marmol for 2 innings.
You'd think Guzman, Cedeno and Pie would do a whole lot better than those numbers, especially considering the competition.
Rich Hill....sigh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've grown tired of Rich Hill and his vagina.
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<!--quoteo(post=9862:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:33 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 7 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9860:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, that's a pretty gruesome list. At least Fox pounded the ball. Marmol was Marmol for 2 innings.
You'd think Guzman, Cedeno and Pie would do a whole lot better than those numbers, especially considering the competition.
Rich Hill....sigh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've grown tired of Rich Hill and his vagina.
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Personally I'm tired of him sucking. I don't really care that much about his vagina.
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<!--quoteo(post=9860:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, that's a pretty gruesome list. At least Fox pounded the ball. Marmol was Marmol for 2 innings.
You'd think Guzman, Cedeno and Pie would do a whole lot better than those numbers, especially considering the competition.
Rich Hill....sigh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Cedeno's and Pie's numbers look pretty good.
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<!--quoteo(post=9874:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9860:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, that's a pretty gruesome list. At least Fox pounded the ball. Marmol was Marmol for 2 innings.
You'd think Guzman, Cedeno and Pie would do a whole lot better than those numbers, especially considering the competition.
Rich Hill....sigh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Cedeno's and Pie's numbers look pretty good.
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Pie's strike out/walk rate doesn't look good but does it really matter. Fox puts up very good numbers but he will likely only be a call up every now and then. It's like when Fuld put up gaudy numbers in a league and every one thought he might actually be a prospect and challenge for the starting job a couple of years ago.
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<!--quoteo(post=9896:date=Jan 7 2009, 07:05 PM:name=CCwinwssoon)-->QUOTE (CCwinwssoon @ Jan 7 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9874:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9860:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, that's a pretty gruesome list. At least Fox pounded the ball. Marmol was Marmol for 2 innings.
You'd think Guzman, Cedeno and Pie would do a whole lot better than those numbers, especially considering the competition.
Rich Hill....sigh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Cedeno's and Pie's numbers look pretty good.
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Pie's strike out/walk rate doesn't look good but does it really matter. Fox puts up very good numbers but he will likely only be a call up every now and then. It's like when Fuld put up gaudy numbers in a league and every one thought he might actually be a prospect and challenge for the starting job a couple of years ago.
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If Pie ends up getting traded, I really hope Fuld gets a chance to beat out Gathright in spring training. Hell, I would hope he gets a chance anyway even thought Pie would go to waivers if one of those two were to beat him out (unlikely).
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<!--quoteo(post=9899:date=Jan 7 2009, 07:16 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Jan 7 2009, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9896:date=Jan 7 2009, 07:05 PM:name=CCwinwssoon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CCwinwssoon @ Jan 7 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9874:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9860:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, that's a pretty gruesome list. At least Fox pounded the ball. Marmol was Marmol for 2 innings.
You'd think Guzman, Cedeno and Pie would do a whole lot better than those numbers, especially considering the competition.
Rich Hill....sigh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Cedeno's and Pie's numbers look pretty good.
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Pie's strike out/walk rate doesn't look good but does it really matter. Fox puts up very good numbers but he will likely only be a call up every now and then. It's like when Fuld put up gaudy numbers in a league and every one thought he might actually be a prospect and challenge for the starting job a couple of years ago.
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If Pie ends up getting traded, I really hope Fuld gets a chance to beat out Gathright in spring training. Hell, I would hope he gets a chance anyway even thought Pie would go to waivers if one of those two were to beat him out (unlikely).
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I hope he doesn't beat Gathright out though. We're going to find Gathright's speed very useful all the time. I don't think he's going to start all that much over Fuk/Reed though, and neither would Fuld. However, we could still use Gathright's speed on a nightly basis.
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wow, hill's numbers are unbelievably atrocious. how do you go from a #2 to that...wow
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<!--quoteo(post=9896:date=Jan 7 2009, 07:05 PM:name=CCwinwssoon)-->QUOTE (CCwinwssoon @ Jan 7 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9874:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jan 7 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9860:date=Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 7 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, that's a pretty gruesome list. At least Fox pounded the ball. Marmol was Marmol for 2 innings.
You'd think Guzman, Cedeno and Pie would do a whole lot better than those numbers, especially considering the competition.
Rich Hill....sigh.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Cedeno's and Pie's numbers look pretty good.
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Pie's strike out/walk rate doesn't look good but does it really matter.
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Yes, IMO. K/BB rate for a hitter (and K/Xbh if you want to get real crazy) is often the best predictor of future MLB success. Incidentally, the same is often true for pitchers.
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I just watched an old KC game tonight (yes, I have no life) against the Tribe from last May. Gathright looked pretty damn good out in CF. He cut off some gappers that could have turned into triples, hit the cutoff man with some nice throws, really flashed the leather. He also showed off his speed on the bases well. I think we'll be very happy with him as a 25th man. Sam Fuld has no business being on this team.
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<!--quoteo(post=9931:date=Jan 7 2009, 11:06 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jan 7 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I just watched an old KC game tonight (yes, I have no life) against the Tribe from last May. Gathright looked pretty damn good out in CF. He cut off some gappers that could have turned into triples, hit the cutoff man with some nice throws, really flashed the leather. He also showed off his speed on the bases well. I think we'll be very happy with him as a 25th man. Sam Fuld has no business being on this team.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know, everything I've heard on Gathright is that he's not a very good defender or baserunner despite his speed. I just don't see him doing much as far as getting on base although I'd like to be wrong about that.
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<!--quoteo(post=9942:date=Jan 7 2009, 10:43 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Jan 7 2009, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=9931:date=Jan 7 2009, 11:06 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 7 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I just watched an old KC game tonight (yes, I have no life) against the Tribe from last May. Gathright looked pretty damn good out in CF. He cut off some gappers that could have turned into triples, hit the cutoff man with some nice throws, really flashed the leather. He also showed off his speed on the bases well. I think we'll be very happy with him as a 25th man. Sam Fuld has no business being on this team.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know, everything I've heard on Gathright is that he's not a very good defender or baserunner despite his speed. I just don't see him doing much as far as getting on base although I'd like to be wrong about that.
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I'm not in any way saying that he deserves to be in the starting lineup much if at all, but as a spare part, I'm fine with him. From what I've seen of him during the few games I've watched over the years, he's underrated in the OF, and his arm is stronger than advertised.
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He's going to be our Tom Goodwin. We'll find him very useful. We've needed speed and he has plenty of it. I just don't see when Fuld would really play as the #3 CF. Gathright will at least pinch-run for us a lot.
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<!--quoteo(post=9945:date=Jan 7 2009, 11:00 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Jan 7 2009, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's going to be our Tom Goodwin. We'll find him very useful. We've needed speed and he has plenty of it. I just don't see when Fuld would really play as the #3 CF. Gathright will at least pinch-run for us a lot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's going to have to do a whole lot better than last season's .584 OPS to justify a spot on the roster. I don't care if he's the fastest guy in the world.
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