Andre Dawson

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=11232:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:58 AM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Jan 13 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11231:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:55 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11229:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:52 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jan 13 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11227:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:50 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11225:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:43 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jan 13 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11223:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:42 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11218:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:34 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jan 13 2009, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11211:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:27 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dale Murphy should be in (and I'm not saying that because he's a Mormon -- at least not entirely).

Look at his years from '80-'87. I think he was hurt in '81, but other than that year, he was an MVP candidate (and won the MVP twice) an All-Star, and a 4-time Silver Slugger.

I think Hawk and Murphy are both right on the border, but should eventually get in.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


'81 was the strike shortened year and i don't think he should get in. had he maintained his excellence for another 3 or 4 years then maybe.
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Oh yeah. I forgot about the strike year. My bust.

Murphy was one of the best players in the game for a solid 8 years in a row -- and was THE BEST player for 2 of those 8. He's in.
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he will never get in. he never comes close and he shouldn't. he isn't deserving and the writers agree. for once they're right. he's out.
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Well, we all have different opinions about what a Hall of Famer should be. Two-time MVP, 7-time All-Star, 4-time Silver Slugger, all with solid defense and a great ambassador for the game. That's a Hall-of-Famer in my book. Plus, in 5 of his non All-Star seasons, he averaged over 20 homers. So, 7 All-Star years, 2 MVP years, and 5 additional seasons with over 20 homers. Yeah...he's in.
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outside of those 5 years, he was average. he's out. history will back that up.
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So...7 amazing years, 5 good years, and the rest average and he's out? Wow. Based on that criteria, you want like 10 players, total, in the Hall of Fame. You're the white Joe Morgan.
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1/3 or his career was awesome. The other 2/3...not so much. I guy can't be in if they aren't amazing for a majority of their career.
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Murphy was in the top 25 of MVP voting in 7 of his 14 full seasons. He was MVP in 2, incredibly good in 3 more (3 top 11 mvp finishes), and really really good in the other 2. He varied from impact player to best player in the league for 7 of his 14 seasons.

[Butcher]

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Most Valuable Player (twice) doesn't mean anything?

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=11242:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:18 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jan 13 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11232:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:58 AM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Jan 13 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11231:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:55 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11229:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:52 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jan 13 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11227:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:50 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11225:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:43 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jan 13 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11223:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:42 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11218:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:34 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jan 13 2009, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11211:date=Jan 13 2009, 10:27 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dale Murphy should be in (and I'm not saying that because he's a Mormon -- at least not entirely).

Look at his years from '80-'87. I think he was hurt in '81, but other than that year, he was an MVP candidate (and won the MVP twice) an All-Star, and a 4-time Silver Slugger.

I think Hawk and Murphy are both right on the border, but should eventually get in.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


'81 was the strike shortened year and i don't think he should get in. had he maintained his excellence for another 3 or 4 years then maybe.
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Oh yeah. I forgot about the strike year. My bust.

Murphy was one of the best players in the game for a solid 8 years in a row -- and was THE BEST player for 2 of those 8. He's in.
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he will never get in. he never comes close and he shouldn't. he isn't deserving and the writers agree. for once they're right. he's out.
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Well, we all have different opinions about what a Hall of Famer should be. Two-time MVP, 7-time All-Star, 4-time Silver Slugger, all with solid defense and a great ambassador for the game. That's a Hall-of-Famer in my book. Plus, in 5 of his non All-Star seasons, he averaged over 20 homers. So, 7 All-Star years, 2 MVP years, and 5 additional seasons with over 20 homers. Yeah...he's in.
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outside of those 5 years, he was average. he's out. history will back that up.
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So...7 amazing years, 5 good years, and the rest average and he's out? Wow. Based on that criteria, you want like 10 players, total, in the Hall of Fame. You're the white Joe Morgan.
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1/3 or his career was awesome. The other 2/3...not so much. I guy can't be in if they aren't amazing for a majority of their career.
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Murphy was in the top 25 of MVP voting in 7 of his 14 full seasons. He was MVP in 2, incredibly good in 3 more (3 top 11 mvp finishes), and really really good in the other 2. He varied from impact player to best player in the league for 7 of his 14 seasons.
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BT is correct.

[BT]

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He was a star though. My buddy and I used to have long conversations about that while playing strat-o-matic. There was a 3 or 4 year period where if we were going to build a baseball team, Dale Murphy would probably be the first guy we took. Maybe we were wrong, but the fact that he was even in the conversation has to mean something.

also, if you throw out his last 2 years, when he didn't even get 70 at bats, he only had one season which was really below league average. Even when he was "bad", he was still hitting HRs.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=11244:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:23 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11239:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->And, it's just my opinion, but Murphy had 5 really good seasons, but seemed to tail off really badly for his final 5-6 years. Just seems like there aren't too many HOFs with track records like that. I always remember thinking he was a very good player, but never a star.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Most Valuable Player (twice) doesn't mean anything?
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He deserved to be MVP twice, but I also remember him when he sucked for his final 5-6 seasons. I can't ignore that either.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=11252:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:29 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jan 13 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11244:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:23 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11239:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->And, it's just my opinion, but Murphy had 5 really good seasons, but seemed to tail off really badly for his final 5-6 years. Just seems like there aren't too many HOFs with track records like that. I always remember thinking he was a very good player, but never a star.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Most Valuable Player (twice) doesn't mean anything?
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He deserved to be MVP twice, but I also remember him when he sucked for his final 5-6 seasons. I can't ignore that either.
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He only played in 44 games in his last two seasons and he probably should've retired -- he was 36 and 37 years old. Those were like Juan Gonzalez's last couple of seasons when he was just trying to squeeze a few more ABs into his career.

His last 5 seasons before those? He averaged 26 homers and 86 RBIs. I'd love to have that kind of suck on the Cubs.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=11255:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:35 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11252:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:29 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 13 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11244:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:23 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11239:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->And, it's just my opinion, but Murphy had 5 really good seasons, but seemed to tail off really badly for his final 5-6 years. Just seems like there aren't too many HOFs with track records like that. I always remember thinking he was a very good player, but never a star.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Most Valuable Player (twice) doesn't mean anything?
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He deserved to be MVP twice, but I also remember him when he sucked for his final 5-6 seasons. I can't ignore that either.
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He only played in 44 games in his last two seasons and he probably should've retired -- he was 36 and 37 years old. Those were like Juan Gonzalez's last couple of seasons when he was just trying to squeeze a few more ABs into his career.

His last 5 seasons before those? He averaged 26 homers and 86 RBIs. I'd love to have that kind of suck on the Cubs.
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I'm not denying that he was very good up until he turned 31/32. For some reason (injuries, old age, whatever), his production still fell off a cliff from 88-93. 32 wasn't ancient even for that era. Maybe I remember those years more than the great ones from the mid 80s, not sure why, but I just do. I'm not saying my perception is correct, but there aren't many players that turn 5 really good seasons and an equal amount of ok or bad seasons into an automatic HOF induction.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=11257:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:41 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jan 13 2009, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11255:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:35 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11252:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:29 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 13 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11244:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:23 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 13 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=11239:date=Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->And, it's just my opinion, but Murphy had 5 really good seasons, but seemed to tail off really badly for his final 5-6 years. Just seems like there aren't too many HOFs with track records like that. I always remember thinking he was a very good player, but never a star.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Most Valuable Player (twice) doesn't mean anything?
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He deserved to be MVP twice, but I also remember him when he sucked for his final 5-6 seasons. I can't ignore that either.
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He only played in 44 games in his last two seasons and he probably should've retired -- he was 36 and 37 years old. Those were like Juan Gonzalez's last couple of seasons when he was just trying to squeeze a few more ABs into his career.

His last 5 seasons before those? He averaged 26 homers and 86 RBIs. I'd love to have that kind of suck on the Cubs.
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I'm not denying that he was very good up until he turned 31/32. For some reason (injuries, old age, whatever), his production still fell off a cliff from 88-93. 32 wasn't ancient even for that era. Maybe I remember those years more than the great ones from the mid 80s, not sure why, but I just do. I'm not saying my perception is correct, but there aren't many players that turn 5 really good seasons and an equal amount of ok or bad seasons into an automatic HOF induction.
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I didn't say he was automatic. I said he and Dawson are both borderline, but should both eventually get in.

[rok]

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Most Valuable Player (twice) doesn't mean anything?
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He deserved to be MVP twice, but I also remember him when he sucked for his final 5-6 seasons. I can't ignore that either.
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He only played in 44 games in his last two seasons and he probably should've retired -- he was 36 and 37 years old. Those were like Juan Gonzalez's last couple of seasons when he was just trying to squeeze a few more ABs into his career.

His last 5 seasons before those? He averaged 26 homers and 86 RBIs. I'd love to have that kind of suck on the Cubs.
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I'm not denying that he was very good up until he turned 31/32. For some reason (injuries, old age, whatever), his production still fell off a cliff from 88-93. 32 wasn't ancient even for that era. Maybe I remember those years more than the great ones from the mid 80s, not sure why, but I just do. I'm not saying my perception is correct, but there aren't many players that turn 5 really good seasons and an equal amount of ok or bad seasons into an automatic HOF induction.
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I didn't say he was automatic. I said he and Dawson are both borderline, but should both eventually get in.
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I wouldn't complain if either got in, and have always believed that both were borderline anyway. That's hard for me to say because Dawson was my favorite player for years.

[veryzer]

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Look at his years from '80-'87. I think he was hurt in '81, but other than that year, he was an MVP candidate (and won the MVP twice) an All-Star, and a 4-time Silver Slugger.

I think Hawk and Murphy are both right on the border, but should eventually get in.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


'81 was the strike shortened year and i don't think he should get in. had he maintained his excellence for another 3 or 4 years then maybe.
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Oh yeah. I forgot about the strike year. My bust.

Murphy was one of the best players in the game for a solid 8 years in a row -- and was THE BEST player for 2 of those 8. He's in.
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he will never get in. he never comes close and he shouldn't. he isn't deserving and the writers agree. for once they're right. he's out.
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Well, we all have different opinions about what a Hall of Famer should be. Two-time MVP, 7-time All-Star, 4-time Silver Slugger, all with solid defense and a great ambassador for the game. That's a Hall-of-Famer in my book. Plus, in 5 of his non All-Star seasons, he averaged over 20 homers. So, 7 All-Star years, 2 MVP years, and 5 additional seasons with over 20 homers. Yeah...he's in.
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outside of those 5 years, he was average. he's out. history will back that up.
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So...7 amazing years, 5 good years, and the rest average and he's out? Wow. Based on that criteria, you want like 10 players, total, in the Hall of Fame. You're the white Joe Morgan.
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1/3 or his career was awesome. The other 2/3...not so much. I guy can't be in if they aren't amazing for a majority of their career.
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thank you bz. you are absolutely right. fortunately the bbwaa agree with us.

[leonardsipes]

Dale Murphy was ranked in the top 10 in NL HRs 9 straight years 80-88. If he would have had the same rankings 2000 - 2008, he would have had these HR totals: 47,38,46,45,48,51,45,47,33.

[Butcher]

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Look at his years from '80-'87. I think he was hurt in '81, but other than that year, he was an MVP candidate (and won the MVP twice) an All-Star, and a 4-time Silver Slugger.

I think Hawk and Murphy are both right on the border, but should eventually get in.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


'81 was the strike shortened year and i don't think he should get in. had he maintained his excellence for another 3 or 4 years then maybe.
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Oh yeah. I forgot about the strike year. My bust.

Murphy was one of the best players in the game for a solid 8 years in a row -- and was THE BEST player for 2 of those 8. He's in.
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he will never get in. he never comes close and he shouldn't. he isn't deserving and the writers agree. for once they're right. he's out.
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Well, we all have different opinions about what a Hall of Famer should be. Two-time MVP, 7-time All-Star, 4-time Silver Slugger, all with solid defense and a great ambassador for the game. That's a Hall-of-Famer in my book. Plus, in 5 of his non All-Star seasons, he averaged over 20 homers. So, 7 All-Star years, 2 MVP years, and 5 additional seasons with over 20 homers. Yeah...he's in.
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outside of those 5 years, he was average. he's out. history will back that up.
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So...7 amazing years, 5 good years, and the rest average and he's out? Wow. Based on that criteria, you want like 10 players, total, in the Hall of Fame. You're the white Joe Morgan.
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1/3 or his career was awesome. The other 2/3...not so much. I guy can't be in if they aren't amazing for a majority of their career.
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thank you bz. you are absolutely right. fortunately the bbwaa agree with us.
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Yes! How fortunate! Thank the heavens that the almighty BBWAA doesn't like Murphy! I mean...what the fuck would we do if Murphy got elected into the Hall of Fucking Fame? I mean...first that happens, next a group of SS troops show up at your doorstep and ass rape your entire family.

By the way, you can't use the BBWAA's opinion to support your argument sometimes and say that they suck all of the other times. "The BBWAA are the biggest bunch of morons for not letting in Santo all these years...but they're spot-on for not voting for Murphy." Sorry. You can't have it both ways.

[Butcher]

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Yup. People have forgotten what a monster Murphy was because the of the steroid era. He was one of the best (if not THE best) power hitters of the 80s.

[Brock]

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Look at his years from '80-'87. I think he was hurt in '81, but other than that year, he was an MVP candidate (and won the MVP twice) an All-Star, and a 4-time Silver Slugger.

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'81 was the strike shortened year and i don't think he should get in. had he maintained his excellence for another 3 or 4 years then maybe.
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Oh yeah. I forgot about the strike year. My bust.

Murphy was one of the best players in the game for a solid 8 years in a row -- and was THE BEST player for 2 of those 8. He's in.
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he will never get in. he never comes close and he shouldn't. he isn't deserving and the writers agree. for once they're right. he's out.
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Well, we all have different opinions about what a Hall of Famer should be. Two-time MVP, 7-time All-Star, 4-time Silver Slugger, all with solid defense and a great ambassador for the game. That's a Hall-of-Famer in my book. Plus, in 5 of his non All-Star seasons, he averaged over 20 homers. So, 7 All-Star years, 2 MVP years, and 5 additional seasons with over 20 homers. Yeah...he's in.
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outside of those 5 years, he was average. he's out. history will back that up.
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So...7 amazing years, 5 good years, and the rest average and he's out? Wow. Based on that criteria, you want like 10 players, total, in the Hall of Fame. You're the white Joe Morgan.
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1/3 or his career was awesome. The other 2/3...not so much. I guy can't be in if they aren't amazing for a majority of their career.
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thank you bz. you are absolutely right. fortunately the bbwaa agree with us.
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Yes! How fortunate! Thank the heavens that the almighty BBWAA doesn't like Murphy! I mean...what the fuck would we do if Murphy got elected into the Hall of Fucking Fame? I mean...first that happens, next a group of SS troops show up at your doorstep and ass rape your entire family.
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[Mikey]

I liked Dale Murphy.