So

[Clapp]

But he stunk when we moved him to the middle of the order. We're best off just leaving him where he's going to feel most comfortable and produce. Of course he gave the "whatever is best for the team" approach when asked about it. What's he supposed to say? "I'll only hit leadoff. I want the most at bats. Fuck my teammates."

[veryzer]

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No. He has a great arm. As savant or BT said, that doesn't make up for his other fielding problems, but if a guy has ONE outstanding defensive characteristic, it seems to make sense to put him in a position where he can make the most use of it.
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honestly, how many times in a year does a rightfielder make the throw to third? because as you know, the throw home is the same from right as it is from left. so that strong arm is really only necessary from right to third. how often does that happen? often enough to move our worst outfielder to another position he's never played? i think not.

[kbwsb]

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No. He has a great arm. As savant or BT said, that doesn't make up for his other fielding problems, but if a guy has ONE outstanding defensive characteristic, it seems to make sense to put him in a position where he can make the most use of it.
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<b>honestly, how many times in a year does a rightfielder make the throw to third?</b> because as you know, the throw home is the same from right as it is from left. so that strong arm is really only necessary from right to third. how often does that happen? often enough to move our worst outfielder to another position he's never played? i think not.
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A couple times a game, every game? I'm not sure.
Or, at least often enough so that almost every team in the history of the sport has put their strongest-armed corner OFer in RF?

[veryzer]

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No. He has a great arm. As savant or BT said, that doesn't make up for his other fielding problems, but if a guy has ONE outstanding defensive characteristic, it seems to make sense to put him in a position where he can make the most use of it.
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<b>honestly, how many times in a year does a rightfielder make the throw to third?</b> because as you know, the throw home is the same from right as it is from left. so that strong arm is really only necessary from right to third. how often does that happen? often enough to move our worst outfielder to another position he's never played? i think not.
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A couple times a game, every game? I'm not sure.
Or, at least often enough so that almost every team in the history of the sport has put their strongest-armed corner OFer in RF?
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it doesn't happen often. that was the correct answer.

[kbwsb]

Are you honestly saying that runners only very rarely go from 1st-to-3rd?

[veryzer]

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nope, i'm saying most of the time they go first to third with no play. the handful of throws soriano would have to make to third isn't worth moving him to another position when he hasn't evenmastered the one he currently plays.

[ruby23]

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nope, i'm saying most of the time they go first to third with no play. the handful of throws soriano would have to make to third isn't worth moving him to another position when he hasn't evenmastered the one he currently plays.
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This is the correct answer. Anyone who disagrees is a fucking nitwit.

[kbwsb]

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nope, i'm saying most of the time they go first to third with no play. the handful of throws soriano would have to make to third isn't worth moving him to another position when he hasn't evenmastered the one he currently plays.
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This is the correct answer. Anyone who disagrees is a fucking nitwit.
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Soriano is a world-class athlete who has played 2nd base for 2 pennant-winning teams. Second base is one of the most difficult positions on the diamond. He didn't want to move to LF, but when forced to, he played perfectly fine out there.
He's never been a splendid defensive player, and he never will be, no matter what position he plays. But he can easily change positions, as he's proved in the past.
ESPECIALLY, changing to one that is almost identical to the one he now plays.

And anyone who disagrees is a cocksucking, motherfucking nitwit. (heh heh)

[ruby23]

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nope, i'm saying most of the time they go first to third with no play. the handful of throws soriano would have to make to third isn't worth moving him to another position when he hasn't evenmastered the one he currently plays.
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This is the correct answer. Anyone who disagrees is a fucking nitwit.
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Soriano is a world-class athlete who has played 2nd base for 2 pennant-winning teams. Second base is one of the most difficult positions on the diamond. He didn't want to move to LF, but when forced to, he played perfectly fine out there.
He's never been a splendid defensive player, and he never will be, no matter what position he plays. But he can easily change positions, as he's proved in the past.
ESPECIALLY, changing to one that is almost identical to the one he now plays.

And anyone who disagrees is a cocksucking, motherfucking nitwit.
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You've said so much stupid shit today, this post that I completely disagree with is actually the best.

[kbwsb]

Fuck yeah!

[kbwsb]

Fuck yeah!

[Clapp]

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[veryzer]

most of the time when a runner goes from first to third, the throw comes into second or is cutoff. rarely do rightfielders attempt the throw to third because they run the risk of the trailing runner to go to second. it just doesn't happen that often. soriano, gifted athlete that he is, isn't real baseball smart. his instincts aren't always good. he's really not very good at probably the second easiest position on the field. why would we risk trying him at another position when he's bad at the one he plays? how many times do you think he's gonna come up gunning for thirdbase and how many times will the batter get to second base? a lot? why give him another situation to have to think about? i actu8ally think in the long run, the cubs are better off just leaving soriano in left and at lead off.

[SandbergMVP1984]

I'd like to see Soriano dropped in the lineup, but if that's what we decide just leave him there. He'll adjust.