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I have no idea what Hendry is talking about in that quote.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
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I read it as he wants guys that are fucking clutch, that hit late in the games. So do I.
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Clapp is right. That's what Hendry meant.
Jim apparently thinks that runs scored earlier in the game don't count as much as runs scored in the late innings, although basic arithmetic kind of refutes this notion.
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Clapp is right. That's what Hendry meant.
Jim apparently thinks that runs scored earlier in the game don't count as much as runs scored in the late innings, although basic arithmetic kind of refutes this notion.
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Guys that succeed in late inning situations are also more likely to hit well in playoffs, they have that ability to at least stay the same hitter they are in less significant situations or step their games up. This has been a huge problem for us and I think Milton Bradley's the type of hitter that will do well in these situations. There's a lot guys in baseball I'd rather have than A-Rod for example before this steroid news even. Over 162 games he's going to have the better numbers and play a huge part in getting you to the playoffs, but there's a shitload of other players that are going to give you a better chance to win the championships. We already have the team to get to the playoffs, but we're looking for guys with the attitude and clutchness to win some games once we get there.
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I don't like that philosophy. If you score runs early you don't have to worry about those late inning runs as often. Get to em early, get their starter out, then attack the bullpen early.
Ideally, you'd like players that are both clutch and can score runs at any point in the game. However, that ain't gonna happen.
The best chance for success in the playoffs is to score runs early and get to their bullpen, just like the regular season. If you are concerned about getting those late inning runs, then you team has a problem.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
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<!--quoteo(post=16657:date=Feb 7 2009, 03:41 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Feb 7 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't like that philosophy. If you score runs early you don't have to worry about those late inning runs as often. Get to em early, get their starter out, then attack the bullpen early.
Ideally, you'd like players that are both clutch and can score runs at any point in the game. However, that ain't gonna happen.
The best chance for success in the playoffs is to score runs early and get to their bullpen, just like the regular season. If you are concerned about getting those late inning runs, then you team has a problem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We're not scoring at all in the playoffs, that's the problem.
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Ideally, you'd like players that are both clutch and can score runs at any point in the game. However, that ain't gonna happen.
The best chance for success in the playoffs is to score runs early and get to their bullpen, just like the regular season. If you are concerned about getting those late inning runs, then you team has a problem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We're not scoring at all in the playoffs, that's the problem.
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That is because they sucked in the playoffs. Yes, we weren't "clutch" but adding clutch players isn't going to guarantee anything. Designing the team to be more clutch isn't going to do anything. We can't change the whole roster and there's limited amount of players to be added that are either "clutch", (I guess) early run scorers, or both.
The playoffs tend to be a crapshoot, but usually the better teams win. You have to play the odds and averages and just score runs. While I believe that intangibles do effect a teams performance, you can't build a team based on the unknown. That's just...dumb. You have to build a team that, simply, scores runs. The earlier in the game, the better.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
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To add a different perspective, if this were the NBA you could totally add a Robert Horry or Steve Kerr and assume that a good percentage of the time they can make that last shot. You can pay a guy to be clutch here. You know what you're getting.
You can do the same thing with the NFL and add a Vinatieri or Elam--both paid to be clutch.
But baseball doesn't work that way, and it's a bad bad bad philosophy for a GM to take.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
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<!--quoteo(post=16660:date=Feb 7 2009, 03:51 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Feb 7 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16658:date=Feb 7 2009, 04:42 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 7 2009, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16657:date=Feb 7 2009, 03:41 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Feb 7 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't like that philosophy. If you score runs early you don't have to worry about those late inning runs as often. Get to em early, get their starter out, then attack the bullpen early.
Ideally, you'd like players that are both clutch and can score runs at any point in the game. However, that ain't gonna happen.
The best chance for success in the playoffs is to score runs early and get to their bullpen, just like the regular season. If you are concerned about getting those late inning runs, then you team has a problem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We're not scoring at all in the playoffs, that's the problem.
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That is because they sucked in the playoffs. Yes, we weren't "clutch" but adding clutch players isn't going to guarantee anything. Designing the team to be more clutch isn't going to do anything. We can't change the whole roster and there's limited amount of players to be added that are either "clutch", (I guess) early run scorers, or both.
The playoffs tend to be a crapshoot, but usually the better teams win. You have to play the odds and averages and just score runs. While I believe that intangibles do effect a teams performance, you can't build a team based on the unknown. That's just...dumb. You have to build a team that, simply, scores runs. The earlier in the game, the better.
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This is getting a little bit away from the original topic, but...
The point I'm making is this team needs an attitude adjustment and certain guys will not perform well in these situations. Almost all of our hitters looked like completely different guys at the plate than the last 2 playoffs than they did in the regular season. It was so obvious to me after watching almost all of their 324 regular season games those 2 years. They lack a mental toughness and that's something we need to be trying to add, and is usually a pretty good indicator of a player that is more likely to succeed in October. Alex Rodriguez, Adam Dunn, and Alfonso Soriano are going to be all over the leaderboards in a bunch of stats in the regular season but I can assure you they won't perform at the same level in the playoffs. You can see it in some guys.
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<!--quoteo(post=16662:date=Feb 7 2009, 05:05 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 7 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16660:date=Feb 7 2009, 03:51 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Feb 7 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16658:date=Feb 7 2009, 04:42 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 7 2009, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16657:date=Feb 7 2009, 03:41 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Feb 7 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't like that philosophy. If you score runs early you don't have to worry about those late inning runs as often. Get to em early, get their starter out, then attack the bullpen early.
Ideally, you'd like players that are both clutch and can score runs at any point in the game. However, that ain't gonna happen.
The best chance for success in the playoffs is to score runs early and get to their bullpen, just like the regular season. If you are concerned about getting those late inning runs, then you team has a problem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We're not scoring at all in the playoffs, that's the problem.
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That is because they sucked in the playoffs. Yes, we weren't "clutch" but adding clutch players isn't going to guarantee anything. Designing the team to be more clutch isn't going to do anything. We can't change the whole roster and there's limited amount of players to be added that are either "clutch", (I guess) early run scorers, or both.
The playoffs tend to be a crapshoot, but usually the better teams win. You have to play the odds and averages and just score runs. While I believe that intangibles do effect a teams performance, you can't build a team based on the unknown. That's just...dumb. You have to build a team that, simply, scores runs. The earlier in the game, the better.
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This is getting a little bit away from the original topic, but...
The point I'm making is this team needs an attitude adjustment and certain guys will not perform well in these situations. Almost all of our hitters looked like completely different guys at the plate than the last 2 playoffs than they did in the regular season. It was so obvious to me after watching almost all of their 324 regular season games those 2 years. They lack a mental toughness and that's something we need to be trying to add, and is usually a pretty good indicator of a player that is more likely to succeed in October. Alex Rodriguez, Adam Dunn, and Alfonso Soriano are going to be all over the leaderboards in a bunch of stats in the regular season but I can assure you they won't perform at the same level in the playoffs. You can see it in some guys.
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Yea, but what can you do about it besides tell em to sack it up or hire a guru? You just gotta roll the dice and hope your stars perform in the playoffs.
What you don't do is sign guys that you think will be clutch.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
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You can do the same thing with the NFL and add a Vinatieri or Elam--both paid to be clutch.
But baseball doesn't work that way, and it's a bad bad bad philosophy for a GM to take.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not talking about like secondary players though, I'm talking about talented players such as Milton Bradley, that also have the attitude we should be looking for. Adam Dunn and Milton Bradley might look even to people for example as options for the outfield, but I think OUR team should be 100 times more interested in Bradley than Dunn because of his attitude and likelihood to do well in October where we've failed miserably for 100 years.
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You can do the same thing with the NFL and add a Vinatieri or Elam--both paid to be clutch.
But baseball doesn't work that way, and it's a bad bad bad philosophy for a GM to take.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not talking about like secondary players though, I'm talking about talented players such as Milton Bradley, that also have the attitude we should be looking for. Adam Dunn and Milton Bradley might look even to people for example as options for the outfield, but I think OUR team should be 100 times more interested in Bradley than Dunn because of his attitude and likelihood to do well in October where we've failed miserably for 100 years.
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Ok, but they can both score runs early in the game so I don't see the point? That what separates them is their "clutchness"? I think it's a mistake to try to quantify an intangible like clutchness.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
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You can do the same thing with the NFL and add a Vinatieri or Elam--both paid to be clutch.
But baseball doesn't work that way, and it's a bad bad bad philosophy for a GM to take.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not talking about like secondary players though, I'm talking about talented players such as Milton Bradley, that also have the attitude we should be looking for. Adam Dunn and Milton Bradley might look even to people for example as options for the outfield, but I think OUR team should be 100 times more interested in Bradley than Dunn because of his attitude and likelihood to do well in October where we've failed miserably for 100 years.
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Ok, but they can both score runs early in the game so I don't see the point? That what separates them is their "clutchness"? I think it's a mistake to try to quantify an intangible like clutchness.
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I'm confused. All I'm saying is I think Dunn would do what Alf does in the playoffs, and Bradley will play at the same level he had been in the regular season or better. His 1.050 OPS in the playoffs supports that as well.
Anyway, this is the reason I'd give my left nut to get Manny because's the most clutch bitch on the planet.
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I think the point is that the ENTIRE playoffs are a unique clutch situation. If you have the talent to get in and don't fall apart under the pressure during the season and postseason, then you increase your likelihood of success and ability to go deep into the playoffs. The idea that certain players are clutch is not a myth. It's as real as any stat out there.
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Yep. People keep saying, "oh they just got in a slump for a few games" both years. I don't buy it. They looked worse both times than any 3 game span in either regular season. They couldn't hit, pitch, or field. They looked scared.
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