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Sabermatrics the movie
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->If anyone can find the movie in Michael Lewis's MONEYBALL: THE ART OF WINNING AN UNFAIR GAME, it's Steven Soderbergh. As one of the most cerebral directors working and a baseball fan, Soderbergh is uniquely qualified to tell the story of Billy Beane, the eccentric general manager of the Oakland Athletics who devised a statistical system that allowed his small-market team to compete with the loaded, cash-burning likes of the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox. Or Soderbergh could give us the cinematic equivalent of THE BILL JAMES BASEBALL ABSTRACT. As a baseball fan myself, either would be fine with me. There's poetry in sabermetrics.
According to Variety, Soderbergh would be joined by Brad Pitt, who's been chasing the project for a year or so. It sounds like the current draft is by Oscar-winner Steve Zaillian, which is encouraging. MONEYBALL would take the place of Soderbergh's delayed Antony-and-Cleopatra rock opera CLEO (scheduling complications knocked out co-lead Hugh Jackman). It's set up at Columbia, and will be produced by Michael De Luca and Rachel Horovitz.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Great book, it's interesting to us and everything... but a movie? Eh, that's not going to do too well but it won't cost much to make either.
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You can guarantee that the kinds of people who find the book interesting are going to hate the movie, because it's going to be full of bullshit. And the people who would have zero interest in the book will have zero interest in the movie anyway. Thus, there is no audience for this movie.
It's like when stupid fucking movies make jokes about Google and Myspace. Guess what, producers: we already know more about Google and Myspace than you ever will, so your jokes about them are LAME. "I Googled." That's not a joke. We say that. All the time. It's in the fucking dictionary for crying out loud. And on the other side are older folks, who don't know what the shit Google and Myspace are, and never will. Thus, there is no audience for those jokes. Worthless tripe.
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At what point do we acknowledge that Beane, in all his brilliance, has never put together a team that's made it past the first round of the playoffs while teams with similar and smaller payrolls have gone to and won World Championships?
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<!--quoteo(post=16385:date=Feb 6 2009, 06:25 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Feb 6 2009, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You can guarantee that the kinds of people who find the book interesting are going to hate the movie, because it's going to be full of bullshit. And the people who would have zero interest in the book will have zero interest in the movie anyway. Thus, there is no audience for this movie.
It's like when stupid fucking movies make jokes about Google and Myspace. Guess what, producers: we already know more about Google and Myspace than you ever will, so your jokes about them are LAME. "I Googled." That's not a joke. We say that. All the time. It's in the fucking dictionary for crying out loud. And on the other side are older folks, who don't know what the shit Google and Myspace are, and never will. Thus, there is no audience for those jokes. Worthless tripe.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=16388:date=Feb 6 2009, 06:42 AM:name=Dirk)-->QUOTE (Dirk @ Feb 6 2009, 06:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->At what point do we acknowledge that Beane, in all his brilliance, has never put together a team that's made it past the first round of the playoffs while teams with similar and smaller payrolls have gone to and won World Championships?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good point and I don't like the moves he's made in the last few years either.
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although i have heard that kb has already set up a tent outside the movie theatre so he can be the first one to see it.
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<!--quoteo(post=16395:date=Feb 6 2009, 09:28 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 6 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->although i have heard that kb has already set up a tent outside the movie theatre so he can be the first one to see it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've heard he has paper cuts on his dick from humping his copy of Moneyball.
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<!--quoteo(post=16388:date=Feb 6 2009, 07:42 AM:name=Dirk)-->QUOTE (Dirk @ Feb 6 2009, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->At what point do we acknowledge that Beane, in all his brilliance, has never put together a team that's made it past the first round of the playoffs while teams with similar and smaller payrolls have gone to and won World Championships?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And what does it say about Hendry, who has at least triple the budget that Beane has to work with?
Playoffs are a crapshoot. The A's, like the Cubs, ran into hot teams, bad luck, or simply didn't play well in the postseason.
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<!--quoteo(post=16385:date=Feb 6 2009, 07:25 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Feb 6 2009, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You can guarantee that the kinds of people who find the book interesting are going to hate the movie, because it's going to be full of bullshit. And the people who would have zero interest in the book will have zero interest in the movie anyway. Thus, there is no audience for this movie.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds like a potential Oscar winner to me, and I'm not even joking given nominees of recent years.
And yeah, I haven't liked anything that Soderbergh has done in quite some time. This is an project, and I wonder who's financing it.
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<!--quoteo(post=16404:date=Feb 6 2009, 09:11 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 6 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16388:date=Feb 6 2009, 07:42 AM:name=Dirk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dirk @ Feb 6 2009, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->At what point do we acknowledge that Beane, in all his brilliance, has never put together a team that's made it past the first round of the playoffs while teams with similar and smaller payrolls have gone to and won World Championships?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And what does it say about Hendry, who has at least triple the budget that Beane has to work with?
Playoffs are a crapshoot. The A's, like the Cubs, ran into hot teams, bad luck, or simply didn't play well in the postseason.
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no one's making a movie about hendry.
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<!--quoteo(post=16416:date=Feb 6 2009, 09:59 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 6 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16404:date=Feb 6 2009, 09:11 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 6 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16388:date=Feb 6 2009, 07:42 AM:name=Dirk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dirk @ Feb 6 2009, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->At what point do we acknowledge that Beane, in all his brilliance, has never put together a team that's made it past the first round of the playoffs while teams with similar and smaller payrolls have gone to and won World Championships?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And what does it say about Hendry, who has at least triple the budget that Beane has to work with?
Playoffs are a crapshoot. The A's, like the Cubs, ran into hot teams, bad luck, or simply didn't play well in the postseason.
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no one's making a movie about hendry.
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everyone is finding it ironic that they're making a movie about a guy who's never won a thing. you brought up hendry, which was irrelevant to the conversation, and i pointed out the fact that no one is making a movie about him. hope that clarifies things a little.
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<!--quoteo(post=16450:date=Feb 6 2009, 12:38 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 6 2009, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->everyone is finding it ironic that they're making a movie about a guy who's never won a thing. you brought up hendry, which was irrelevant to the conversation, and i pointed out the fact that no one is making a movie about him. hope that clarifies things a little.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was responding to what Dirk said -- which only references Beane's supposed brilliance. Nothing about the film was mentioned. Everyone who criticizes Beane likes to point out that his teams always fall flat in the playoffs. All I was saying is that it doesn't matter -- the playoffs are a crapshoot and that the teams Beane built (for a fraction of the cost of the teams the A's faced in the playoffs) were still really good. What Beane has done with the small-market A's is incredible -- what they do in the playoffs doesn't change that.
Hope that clarifies things a little.
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