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DeRosa at least had the frame that he could potentially hit some home runs. Miles looks like a sickly, brunette version of Ace. He'll never develop any power, ever. He's a slap-hitter. He's Juan Pierre without the speed.
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we don't need him to hit for power. we have plenty of guys that can do that. what if he puts up a similar year to the riot's last year? .300 avg and a decent obp? i don't think that's far fetched at all.
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if he tops a .350 OBP. That's all I would want out of him really, but I'm not too optimistic about that.
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well maybe you should be optimistic. this is cubs my bow legged friend, this is the cubs.
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Why is that a bad thing? Fontenot killed the ball last year and Miles was a .300 hitter. As long as they play average to good defensively I really don't see it as a big deal. Miles is the same kind of hitter that Theriot is.
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Completely agree, but I'd certainly rather see Fontenot out there the majority of the time, if possible.
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He'll be fine. He's making 2 effing million dollars and can play multiple positions. I think he'll specifically be a nice addition for the playoffs. Dude beat up a guy holding a gun. He's a tough son of a bitch. He's also not one of these all or nothing power hitters like most of our guys have ended up being, he consistently makes contact and will make things happen. We have enough power, we need a couple Theriot's in the lineup.
People that choose to watch the games and see the value he brings to the team will love him. People that just look at his overall stats probably won't.
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<!--quoteo(post=19069:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He'll be fine. He's making 2 effing million dollars and can play multiple positions. I think he'll specifically be a nice addition for the playoffs. Dude beat up a guy holding a gun. He's a tough son of a bitch. He's also not one of these all or nothing power hitters like most of our guys have ended up being, he consistently makes contact and will make things happen. We have enough power, we need a couple Theriot's in the lineup.
People that choose to watch the games and see the value he brings to the team will love him. People that just look at his overall stats probably won't.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=19069:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He'll be fine. He's making 2 effing million dollars and can play multiple positions. I think he'll specifically be a nice addition for the playoffs. Dude beat up a guy holding a gun. He's a tough son of a bitch. He's also not one of these all or nothing power hitters like most of our guys have ended up being, he consistently makes contact and will make things happen. We have enough power, we need a couple Theriot's in the lineup.
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What about people who watch about 150 games a year AND look at his overall stats? How will those people feel about him?
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<!--quoteo(post=19069:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->People that choose to watch the games and see the value he brings to the team will love him. People that just look at his overall stats probably won't.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jesus H. Christ, here we go again. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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<!--quoteo(post=19084:date=Feb 19 2009, 03:19 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19069:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He'll be fine. He's making 2 effing million dollars and can play multiple positions. I think he'll specifically be a nice addition for the playoffs. Dude beat up a guy holding a gun. He's a tough son of a bitch. He's also not one of these all or nothing power hitters like most of our guys have ended up being, he consistently makes contact and will make things happen. We have enough power, we need a couple Theriot's in the lineup.
People that choose to watch the games and see the value he brings to the team will love him. People that just look at his overall stats probably won't.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about people who watch about 150 games a year AND look at his overall stats? How will those people feel about him?
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Ha! Good one. What's next? Are you gonna try to tell us that leprechauns, zebras and ghosts exist? You're a funny guy.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
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Jesus H. Christ, here we go again. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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No, it's not here we go again, it's a fact. Ask HTC how Miles was viewed in St. Louis. I wasn't knocking anybody or anything, I'm just saying you'll appreciate him if you watch him on a daily basis but he's not going to light up the stat sheet so some won't appreciate him as much. How does that not make sense?
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<!--quoteo(post=19084:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:19 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19069:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He'll be fine. He's making 2 effing million dollars and can play multiple positions. I think he'll specifically be a nice addition for the playoffs. Dude beat up a guy holding a gun. He's a tough son of a bitch. He's also not one of these all or nothing power hitters like most of our guys have ended up being, he consistently makes contact and will make things happen. We have enough power, we need a couple Theriot's in the lineup.
People that choose to watch the games and see the value he brings to the team will love him. People that just look at his overall stats probably won't.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about people who watch about 150 games a year AND look at his overall stats? How will those people feel about him?
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They'll like him I think, unless they don't appreciate good fundamental baseball and guys playing their asses off. Do they like Reed? Do they like Theriot? If they do, they'll like this guy.
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<!--quoteo(post=19095:date=Feb 19 2009, 03:45 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19084:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:19 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19069:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He'll be fine. He's making 2 effing million dollars and can play multiple positions. I think he'll specifically be a nice addition for the playoffs. Dude beat up a guy holding a gun. He's a tough son of a bitch. He's also not one of these all or nothing power hitters like most of our guys have ended up being, he consistently makes contact and will make things happen. We have enough power, we need a couple Theriot's in the lineup.
People that choose to watch the games and see the value he brings to the team will love him. People that just look at his overall stats probably won't.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about people who watch about 150 games a year AND look at his overall stats? How will those people feel about him?
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They'll like him I think, unless they don't appreciate good fundamental baseball and guys playing their asses off. Do they like Reed? Do they like Theriot? If they do, they'll like this guy.
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Like I said, I'm hoping for the best. Fukudome plays fundamentally sound baseball, and I think he plays as hard as he can. I'm not sure I'm all that crazy about him, though. Good fundamentals and playing your ass off are nice, but it doesn't really make up for lack of talent.
I'm approaching Miles with an open mind. He's a Cub, and I hope he succeeds. I also hope he doesn't get anywhere near 400 ABs, as Lou implied.
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<!--quoteo(post=19096:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:51 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19095:date=Feb 19 2009, 03:45 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19084:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:19 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19069:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He'll be fine. He's making 2 effing million dollars and can play multiple positions. I think he'll specifically be a nice addition for the playoffs. Dude beat up a guy holding a gun. He's a tough son of a bitch. He's also not one of these all or nothing power hitters like most of our guys have ended up being, he consistently makes contact and will make things happen. We have enough power, we need a couple Theriot's in the lineup.
People that choose to watch the games and see the value he brings to the team will love him. People that just look at his overall stats probably won't.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about people who watch about 150 games a year AND look at his overall stats? How will those people feel about him?
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They'll like him I think, unless they don't appreciate good fundamental baseball and guys playing their asses off. Do they like Reed? Do they like Theriot? If they do, they'll like this guy.
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Like I said, I'm hoping for the best. Fukudome plays fundamentally sound baseball, and I think he plays as hard as he can. I'm not sure I'm all that crazy about him, though. Good fundamentals and playing your ass off are nice, but it doesn't really make up for lack of talent.
I'm approaching Miles with an open mind. He's a Cub, and I hope he succeeds. I also hope he doesn't get anywhere near 400 ABs, as Lou implied.
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If the guy hits .290+, that will be plenty enough talent though. He might end up being among the league leaders in batting average even, we're not talking about a scrub here. He'll offer a lot of things that will help us win games. Plus I could see a spike in his on-base percentage, it was the case for most everybody on our team last year and they're clearly placing an emphasis on that. Miles isn't a selfish player so I could definitely see him improving there.
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<!--quoteo(post=19094:date=Feb 19 2009, 03:43 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19089:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:32 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Feb 19 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19069:date=Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 19 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->People that choose to watch the games and see the value he brings to the team will love him. People that just look at his overall stats probably won't.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jesus H. Christ, here we go again. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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No, it's not here we go again, it's a fact. Ask HTC how Miles was viewed in St. Louis. I wasn't knocking anybody or anything, I'm just saying you'll appreciate him if you watch him on a daily basis but he's not going to light up the stat sheet so some won't appreciate him as much. How does that not make sense?
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That comment just seemed like the old "stat guys don't watch the games" drivel that seems to pop up occasionally that drives me nuts.
What exactly should I be watching for that he does that doesn't show up in the stat sheet?
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Jesus H. Christ, here we go again. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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No, it's not here we go again, it's a fact. Ask HTC how Miles was viewed in St. Louis. I wasn't knocking anybody or anything, I'm just saying you'll appreciate him if you watch him on a daily basis but he's not going to light up the stat sheet so some won't appreciate him as much. How does that not make sense?
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That comment just seemed like the old "stat guys don't watch the games" drivel that seems to pop up occasionally that drives me nuts.
What exactly should I be watching for that he does that doesn't show up in the stat sheet?
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Whether or not he brings a lunch pail to work.
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Jesus H. Christ, here we go again. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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No, it's not here we go again, it's a fact. Ask HTC how Miles was viewed in St. Louis. I wasn't knocking anybody or anything, I'm just saying you'll appreciate him if you watch him on a daily basis but he's not going to light up the stat sheet so some won't appreciate him as much. How does that not make sense?
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That comment just seemed like the old "stat guys don't watch the games" drivel that seems to pop up occasionally that drives me nuts.
What exactly should I be watching for that he does that doesn't show up in the stat sheet?
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So it's not true that there's players out there that are more valuable than their stats over a whole season indicate them to be?
Miles can play just about anywhere, he'll get 1-2 hits a game, he gives Lou versatility for hit and runs, he's a switch-hitter and although it doesn't seem like a big deal to some people it's a big deal to most opposing managers, he'll play his ass off, take out guys on double plays, make contact consistently, etc. He'll do things each game to help us win each game that don't all show up in the box score. Whereas Alf for example going to go into his stretch where he's the best player on the planet for a month, but then can't hit water if he fell off boat the next, you know what you're getting with this guy every single day. He's going to be a very valuable part of this team.
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Wow, Clappy. You really have a lot of faith in this guy...
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