Pitchers And Catchers Report

[rok]

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He was pretty mediocre, but yeah, that's what I was thinking with regard to Miles too. I think he's a smart enough player who possibly could have figured it out as a veteran. I also have a feeling he'll put up pretty solid numbers for the next 2 seasons. DeRosa is a superior hitter, but I think Miles will be fine in his own right.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=18988:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->derosa was pretty shitty before he came to cubs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa at least had the frame that he could potentially hit some home runs. Miles looks like a sickly, brunette version of Ace. He'll never develop any power, ever. He's a slap-hitter. He's Juan Pierre without the speed.

[Coldneck]

anyone have a good shot of Z's dirty sanchez?

[Andy]

<!--quoteo(post=18991:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18988:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->derosa was pretty shitty before he came to cubs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa at least had the frame that he could potentially hit some home runs. Miles looks like a sickly, brunette version of Ace. He'll never develop any power, ever. He's a slap-hitter. He's Juan Pierre without the speed.
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He doesn't look that terribly skinny to me. I mean, he's certainly not huge, nor as big as DeRo, but not skinny.

[Andy]

<!--quoteo(post=19001:date=Feb 19 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Feb 19 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->anyone have a good shot of Z's dirty sanchez?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=19006:date=Feb 19 2009, 12:23 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Feb 19 2009, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18991:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18988:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->derosa was pretty shitty before he came to cubs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa at least had the frame that he could potentially hit some home runs. Miles looks like a sickly, brunette version of Ace. He'll never develop any power, ever. He's a slap-hitter. He's Juan Pierre without the speed.
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He doesn't look that terribly skinny to me. I mean, he's certainly not huge, nor as big as DeRo, but not skinny.


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He's 5'8", 170. He'll never be able to hit more than 3 or 4 homers a year.

[Andy]

I don't disagree with what he'll hit for home runs. But Baseball-Reference has him at 170, CBS Sports has him at 180, Yahoo has him at 185 and Cubs.com has him at 185. Looking at him, I'm going with 185.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=19012:date=Feb 19 2009, 12:39 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Feb 19 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't disagree with what he'll hit for home runs. But Baseball-Reference has him at 170, CBS Sports has him at 180, Yahoo has him at 185 and Cubs.com has him at 185. Looking at him, I'm going with 185.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, my point was/is that DeRosa at least had the frame to hit for power before he came to the Cubs. I wasn't surprised that he was able to hit 15+ homers a season. If Miles hits for any kind of power at all, I'll be shocked.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=18991:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18988:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->derosa was pretty shitty before he came to cubs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa at least had the frame that he could potentially hit some home runs. Miles looks like a sickly, brunette version of Ace. He'll never develop any power, ever. He's a slap-hitter. He's Juan Pierre without the speed.
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we don't need him to hit for power. we have plenty of guys that can do that. what if he puts up a similar year to the riot's last year? .300 avg and a decent obp? i don't think that's far fetched at all.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=19017:date=Feb 19 2009, 11:45 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18991:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18988:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->derosa was pretty shitty before he came to cubs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa at least had the frame that he could potentially hit some home runs. Miles looks like a sickly, brunette version of Ace. He'll never develop any power, ever. He's a slap-hitter. He's Juan Pierre without the speed.
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we don't need him to hit for power. we have plenty of guys that can do that. what if he puts up a similar year to the riot's last year? .300 avg and a decent obp? i don't think that's far fetched at all.
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Exactly. We're going to lead the league in runs scored, that's all that matters.

[Butcher]

When you're operating on a budget, which the Cubs are, it's foolish to waste $4M dollars on a guy like Miles. He's a dime a dozen.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=19021:date=Feb 19 2009, 12:56 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->When you're operating on a budget, which the Cubs are, it's foolish to waste $4M dollars on a guy like Miles. He's a dime a dozen.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


true enough but that doesn't mean he can't/won't contribute.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=19024:date=Feb 19 2009, 01:00 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19021:date=Feb 19 2009, 12:56 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->When you're operating on a budget, which the Cubs are, it's foolish to waste $4M dollars on a guy like Miles. He's a dime a dozen.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


true enough but that doesn't mean he can't/won't contribute.
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I'm hoping for the best.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=19025:date=Feb 19 2009, 01:02 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19024:date=Feb 19 2009, 01:00 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=19021:date=Feb 19 2009, 12:56 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->When you're operating on a budget, which the Cubs are, it's foolish to waste $4M dollars on a guy like Miles. He's a dime a dozen.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


true enough but that doesn't mean he can't/won't contribute.
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I'm hoping for the best.
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thats all we can do my friend, thats all we can do.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=19017:date=Feb 19 2009, 01:45 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18991:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 19 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18988:date=Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 19 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->derosa was pretty shitty before he came to cubs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa at least had the frame that he could potentially hit some home runs. Miles looks like a sickly, brunette version of Ace. He'll never develop any power, ever. He's a slap-hitter. He's Juan Pierre without the speed.
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we don't need him to hit for power. we have plenty of guys that can do that. what if he puts up a similar year to the riot's last year? .300 avg and a decent obp? i don't think that's far fetched at all.
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if he tops a .350 OBP. That's all I would want out of him really, but I'm not too optimistic about that.