Injury Log on the Big 3

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=35374:date=May 4 2009, 02:38 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35370:date=May 4 2009, 01:33 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35363:date=May 4 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35334:date=May 4 2009, 12:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35332:date=May 4 2009, 12:57 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 4 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->miles did not replace derosa. derosa was traded to make room for fontenot. miles was signed as a backup.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
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Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
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If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
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But you can't handle a team like that. You can't say, "Hey DeRo, we're going to make Fontenot the starting second baseman against righties, but we know Bradley's going to be out a lot because he's always hurt, so you'll get lots of playing time in RF as well."
He was our starting 2b on a 97 win team. They weren't going to officially platoon him with Fontenot, and you can't <i>assume</i> Bradley is going to be out all that time, even if history would indicate it's likely. It sounds like a fine scenario to us in the fantasy world, but that's not how you manage a team.
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You <b>have to</b> assume Bradley is going to miss significant time. If signing Bradley and hoping you get 140+ games from him is "how you manage a team," then that manager's sanity should be questioned.

I'm really trying to let the DeRosa thing go, but it continues to get brought up by the people who didn't mind the deal in order to rub it in everyone's faces whenever Fontenot hits a home run.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=35376:date=May 4 2009, 02:40 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ May 4 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35372:date=May 4 2009, 02:35 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35371:date=May 4 2009, 02:34 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ May 4 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35370:date=May 4 2009, 02:33 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35363:date=May 4 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35334:date=May 4 2009, 12:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35332:date=May 4 2009, 12:57 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 4 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->miles did not replace derosa. derosa was traded to make room for fontenot. miles was signed as a backup.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
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Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
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If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
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Yeah, that all works... except for that pesky money part.
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Oh. That pesky $3M that we've already eaten (and then some) by dumping Gaudin?
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You can't go by what Hendry had to do after the moves were made because people didn't perform. There is no way Hendry would have got rid of DeRo if money wasn't a concern.
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What is the payroll at right now? $130M or so? $2.5M is <i>almost</i> 2% of overall payroll. It had nothing to do with money.

[PcB]

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DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
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Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
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If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
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Yeah, that all works... except for that pesky money part.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh. That pesky $3M that we've already eaten (and then some) by dumping Gaudin?
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You can't go by what Hendry had to do after the moves were made because people didn't perform. There is no way Hendry would have got rid of DeRo if money wasn't a concern.
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What is the payroll at right now? $130M or so? $2.5M is <i>almost</i> 2% of overall payroll. It had nothing to do with money.
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So for what reason did Hendry trade him? He wanted to give Lou less flexibility? Are you forgetting all the backloaded contracts that went up significantly this year?

[Giff]

<!--quoteo(post=35377:date=May 4 2009, 02:42 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35374:date=May 4 2009, 02:38 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35370:date=May 4 2009, 01:33 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35363:date=May 4 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35334:date=May 4 2009, 12:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35332:date=May 4 2009, 12:57 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 4 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->miles did not replace derosa. derosa was traded to make room for fontenot. miles was signed as a backup.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
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Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
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But you can't handle a team like that. You can't say, "Hey DeRo, we're going to make Fontenot the starting second baseman against righties, but we know Bradley's going to be out a lot because he's always hurt, so you'll get lots of playing time in RF as well."
He was our starting 2b on a 97 win team. They weren't going to officially platoon him with Fontenot, and you can't <i>assume</i> Bradley is going to be out all that time, even if history would indicate it's likely. It sounds like a fine scenario to us in the fantasy world, but that's not how you manage a team.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You <b>have to</b> assume Bradley is going to miss significant time. If signing Bradley and hoping you get 140+ games from him is "how you manage a team," then that manager's sanity should be questioned.

I'm really trying to let the DeRosa thing go, but it continues to get brought up by the people who didn't mind the deal in order to rub it in everyone's faces whenever Fontenot hits a home run.
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It's not about what Hendry was thinking in his head. I'm positive he didn't just assume he would get 140+ games. But there's a 0% chance that DeRosa would have willingly accepted a bench role after the season he put up last year until people got hurt, just so Fontenot could get in the lineup. Things don't work like that in real life. Which is why Hendry then went out and signed Aaron Miles, no question a lesser player, but still a Major League caliber player that is capable of staring 70+ games a year.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=35378:date=May 4 2009, 02:44 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35376:date=May 4 2009, 02:40 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ May 4 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35372:date=May 4 2009, 02:35 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35371:date=May 4 2009, 02:34 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ May 4 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35370:date=May 4 2009, 02:33 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35363:date=May 4 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35334:date=May 4 2009, 12:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35332:date=May 4 2009, 12:57 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 4 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->miles did not replace derosa. derosa was traded to make room for fontenot. miles was signed as a backup.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that all works... except for that pesky money part.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh. That pesky $3M that we've already eaten (and then some) by dumping Gaudin?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can't go by what Hendry had to do after the moves were made because people didn't perform. There is no way Hendry would have got rid of DeRo if money wasn't a concern.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What is the payroll at right now? $130M or so? $2.5M is <i>almost</i> 2% of overall payroll. It had nothing to do with money.
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If it had nothing to do with money, then how come the Bradley signing couldn't be made until the other moves occurred?

Wood not offered a contract
12/31/08 DeRosa Traded
1/6/09 Marquis Traded
1/8/09 Bradley Signed

Dude, you're wrong. It wasn't all about money, getting more left handed played a role, but it was still partially a money move.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=35379:date=May 4 2009, 02:46 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ May 4 2009, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35378:date=May 4 2009, 02:44 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35376:date=May 4 2009, 02:40 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ May 4 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35372:date=May 4 2009, 02:35 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35371:date=May 4 2009, 02:34 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ May 4 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35370:date=May 4 2009, 02:33 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35363:date=May 4 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35334:date=May 4 2009, 12:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35332:date=May 4 2009, 12:57 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 4 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->miles did not replace derosa. derosa was traded to make room for fontenot. miles was signed as a backup.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that all works... except for that pesky money part.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh. That pesky $3M that we've already eaten (and then some) by dumping Gaudin?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can't go by what Hendry had to do after the moves were made because people didn't perform. There is no way Hendry would have got rid of DeRo if money wasn't a concern.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What is the payroll at right now? $130M or so? $2.5M is <i>almost</i> 2% of overall payroll. It had nothing to do with money.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So for what reason did Hendry trade him? He wanted to give Lou less flexibility? Are you forgetting all the backloaded contracts that went up significantly this year?
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He traded him so we could be "more left-handed." Which isn't a good reason.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=35377:date=May 4 2009, 01:42 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35374:date=May 4 2009, 02:38 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35370:date=May 4 2009, 01:33 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35363:date=May 4 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35334:date=May 4 2009, 12:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35332:date=May 4 2009, 12:57 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 4 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->miles did not replace derosa. derosa was traded to make room for fontenot. miles was signed as a backup.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you can't handle a team like that. You can't say, "Hey DeRo, we're going to make Fontenot the starting second baseman against righties, but we know Bradley's going to be out a lot because he's always hurt, so you'll get lots of playing time in RF as well."
He was our starting 2b on a 97 win team. They weren't going to officially platoon him with Fontenot, and you can't <i>assume</i> Bradley is going to be out all that time, even if history would indicate it's likely. It sounds like a fine scenario to us in the fantasy world, but that's not how you manage a team.
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You <b>have to</b> assume Bradley is going to miss significant time. If signing Bradley and hoping you get 140+ games from him is "how you manage a team," then that manager's sanity should be questioned.
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But what if he doesn't? It's very possible he stays healthy for a year. You can't tell DeRosa he's getting his playing time based on an assumption another player will get hurt.

[PcB]

<!--quoteo(post=35384:date=May 4 2009, 02:52 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35377:date=May 4 2009, 01:42 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35374:date=May 4 2009, 02:38 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35370:date=May 4 2009, 01:33 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35363:date=May 4 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 4 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35334:date=May 4 2009, 12:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 4 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35332:date=May 4 2009, 12:57 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 4 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->miles did not replace derosa. derosa was traded to make room for fontenot. miles was signed as a backup.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
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Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you can't handle a team like that. You can't say, "Hey DeRo, we're going to make Fontenot the starting second baseman against righties, but we know Bradley's going to be out a lot because he's always hurt, so you'll get lots of playing time in RF as well."
He was our starting 2b on a 97 win team. They weren't going to officially platoon him with Fontenot, and you can't <i>assume</i> Bradley is going to be out all that time, even if history would indicate it's likely. It sounds like a fine scenario to us in the fantasy world, but that's not how you manage a team.
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You <b>have to</b> assume Bradley is going to miss significant time. If signing Bradley and hoping you get 140+ games from him is "how you manage a team," then that manager's sanity should be questioned.
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But what if he doesn't? It's very possible he stays healthy for a year. You can't tell DeRosa he's getting his playing time based on an assumption another player will get hurt.
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Agreed.

[Butcher]

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DeRosa and Fontenot were on the same team in 2008. One didn't have to leave to make room for the other.
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Really? Fontenot got a whopping 284 plate appearances last year. He already has 92 now. The Cubs wanted him to get the chance to play just about everyday, and he wouldn't have with DeRosa here. I don't know how you're not getting that. DeRosa would've been the starting 2B, just like last year.
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If Lou managed the team properly, Fontenot could be the starting 2B when a RHP was on the mound. DeRosa could start at 2B with a LHP on the mound.

DeRosa could also:
- Start in RF when Bradley is out (which appears as if that will be quite often)
- Start at 3B when Ramirez is out
- Start at 2B if Fontenot ever gets hurt
- Start at 1B when Lee needs a break or gets hurt

It could have worked just fine with the makeup of our roster.
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But you can't handle a team like that. You can't say, "Hey DeRo, we're going to make Fontenot the starting second baseman against righties, but we know Bradley's going to be out a lot because he's always hurt, so you'll get lots of playing time in RF as well."
He was our starting 2b on a 97 win team. They weren't going to officially platoon him with Fontenot, and you can't <i>assume</i> Bradley is going to be out all that time, even if history would indicate it's likely. It sounds like a fine scenario to us in the fantasy world, but that's not how you manage a team.
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You <b>have to</b> assume Bradley is going to miss significant time. If signing Bradley and hoping you get 140+ games from him is "how you manage a team," then that manager's sanity should be questioned.
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But what if he doesn't? It's very possible he stays healthy for a year. You can't tell DeRosa he's getting his playing time based on an assumption another player will get hurt.
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Then Fontenot would have to be flexible and accept a shared role again. And then when Bradley got hurt (which he always does), everything would be just fine.

I'm certain something could've been worked out. You don't build your team around what's going to be best for the individuals on the team -- you build it based on what's best for the whole.

[Brock]

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Here's a statement I can support.
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Yep.

And the argument that somehow DeRosa wouldn't be happy if he and Fontenot both stayed is pretty ridiculous. There would have been plenty of at bats to go around, just like there were last season for the two of them.

[PcB]

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Here's a statement I can support.
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Yep.

And the argument that somehow DeRosa wouldn't be happy if he and Fontenot both stayed is pretty ridiculous. There would have been plenty of at bats to go around, just like there were last season for the two of them.
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How was there plenty for Fontenot last year? He's almost halfway to his AB total from last year. And as we can see, he's no slouch with the bat.

[Clapp]

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Yep.

And the argument that somehow DeRosa wouldn't be happy if he and Fontenot both stayed is pretty ridiculous. There would have been plenty of at bats to go around, just like there were last season for the two of them.
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There weren't enough for Fontenot, that's the whole point.

[Clapp]

Oh, and Z's out 3 weeks.

[Butcher]

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[Clapp]

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