Sammy Sosa Tested Positive for Steroids

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=44648:date=Jun 17 2009, 08:07 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 17 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=44646:date=Jun 17 2009, 07:40 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jun 17 2009, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is it true that during that 2003 test, only 7% tested positive? Also, was every player tested? If so, I may have dramatically been overestimating the problem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
104 names are on the list, that means that they'd have tested almost 1500 players. I don't know how many people they tested, but that's only 300 more than could be on the combined 40 man rosters. Seems reasonable to assume that more people were tested than actually made it to each team's roster.
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Either way, that's more than 3 per team on average.

[Destined]

I could care less about Sammy, my love ended in 2004.

However, Skip Bayless is attacking him in the stupidest way I've ever heard. He keeps saying that he wanted to prove he took steroids in '99, but his editor at the Sun-Times wouldn't let him print the story. Then the douchebag goes on to say that if Sammy had never been caught or suggested with steroids, nor been caught with the corked bat, that he wouldn't be in his Hall of Fame. Why? Because "Sammy was the master of the cheap home run". He hit more home runs in blowouts and meaningless situations that anyone, so he doesn't belong. What the fuck is that?

[cherp]

<!--quoteo(post=44646:date=Jun 17 2009, 07:40 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jun 17 2009, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is it true that during that 2003 test, only 7% tested positive? Also, was every player tested? If so, I may have dramatically been overestimating the problem.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

On this same line, what kind of testing was this? If it was urine testing, then it isn't a surprise that only 7% (if that is right) failed the test. If it was Olympic Style full blood workups, then it is a different story.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=44673:date=Jun 17 2009, 11:15 AM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Jun 17 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I could care less about Sammy, my love ended in 2004.

However, Skip Bayless is attacking him in the stupidest way I've ever heard. He keeps saying that he wanted to prove he took steroids in '99, but his editor at the Sun-Times wouldn't let him print the story. Then the douchebag goes on to say that if Sammy had never been caught or suggested with steroids, nor been caught with the corked bat, that he wouldn't be in his Hall of Fame. Why? Because "Sammy was the master of the cheap home run". He hit more home runs in blowouts and meaningless situations that anyone, so he doesn't belong. What the fuck is that?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Skip Bayless IS, and always has been, a colossal fuckwit. He has always hated Sosa, and probably has a 2 inch boner going all day today, since this announcement.

[Fly]

I just wrote something on the Thigh that I think, more or less, mirrors tom's feelings on this.

[vitaminB]

You can say he was a cheater for the corked bat. Got it. But to call him a cheater cause he tested positive on a voluntary exploratory test, when there was no ban on any controlled substance at all is preposterous. That's like calling Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt cheaters because if you tested their cars with today's standards they wouldn't pass. You're only a cheater if you break an actual rule.

[Destined]

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I'll be honest, I don't know the laws. But aren't anabolic steroids illegal without prescriptions?

[rok]

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That's pretty much spot on. And I think that there's a lot of confusion as to which specific substances these players have been found to be taking. Not all performance enhancing substances, many of which are legal and available at health stores, are steroids, which are illegal. These supplements are not all created equal, but most casual fans or observers assume that they are. Unless all information from these so-called sealed documents is released, we still have no idea as to who did what.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=44692:date=Jun 17 2009, 11:04 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 17 2009, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=44688:date=Jun 17 2009, 12:57 PM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jun 17 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You can say he was a cheater for the corked bat. Got it. But to call him a cheater cause he tested positive on a voluntary exploratory test, when there was no ban on any controlled substance at all is preposterous. That's like calling Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt cheaters because if you tested their cars with today's standards they wouldn't pass. You're only a cheater if you break an actual rule.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's pretty much spot on. And I think that there's a lot of confusion as to which specific substances these players have been found to be taking. Not all performance enhancing substances, many of which are legal and available at health stores, are steroids, which are illegal. These supplements are not all created equal, but most casual fans or observers assume that they are. Unless all information from these so-called sealed documents is released, we still have no idea as to who did what.
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That's true. There's a bunch of things in your local GNC that will trigger a positive test. For instance all of those NFLers that got busted for the weight loss pills they got from a health store last year.

[phan]

nevermind the fact that steroids have been illegal period for quite some time now.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=44694:date=Jun 17 2009, 01:17 PM:name=phan)-->QUOTE (phan @ Jun 17 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->nevermind the fact that steroids have been illegal period for quite some time now.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Steroids have been, but a lot of PEDs are not steroids.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=44696:date=Jun 17 2009, 01:23 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 17 2009, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=44694:date=Jun 17 2009, 01:17 PM:name=phan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phan @ Jun 17 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->nevermind the fact that steroids have been illegal period for quite some time now.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Steroids have been, but a lot of PEDs are not steroids.
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And we don't call people doing coke "cheaters", even though coke is illegal.

[vitaminB]

<!--quoteo(post=44690:date=Jun 17 2009, 01:59 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Jun 17 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=44688:date=Jun 17 2009, 10:57 AM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jun 17 2009, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You can say he was a cheater for the corked bat. Got it. But to call him a cheater cause he tested positive on a voluntary exploratory test, when there was no ban on any controlled substance at all is preposterous. That's like calling Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt cheaters because if you tested their cars with today's standards they wouldn't pass. You're only a cheater if you break an actual rule.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll be honest, I don't know the laws. But aren't anabolic steroids illegal without prescriptions?
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Not in the Dominican Republic. And if we're going to call people cheaters for breaking the laws of the United States then you'd have to ban anyone convicted of a DUI.

[funkster]

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Steroids have been against the rules since like 1990...there just weren't any enforcement policies.

[Kid]

<!--quoteo(post=44702:date=Jun 17 2009, 02:31 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jun 17 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=44690:date=Jun 17 2009, 01:59 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jun 17 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=44688:date=Jun 17 2009, 10:57 AM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jun 17 2009, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You can say he was a cheater for the corked bat. Got it. But to call him a cheater cause he tested positive on a voluntary exploratory test, when there was no ban on any controlled substance at all is preposterous. That's like calling Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt cheaters because if you tested their cars with today's standards they wouldn't pass. You're only a cheater if you break an actual rule.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll be honest, I don't know the laws. But aren't anabolic steroids illegal without prescriptions?
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Not in the Dominican Republic. And if we're going to call people cheaters for breaking the laws of the United States then you'd have to ban anyone convicted of a DUI.
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You're completely splitting hairs to attempt to justify Sosa's cheating. A DUI doesn't give you an unfair advantage. Steroids have been against MLB rules since the early 1990s.

If you want to try to create a loophole to suggest he wasn't a cheater, then you probably can be creative and invent one. It doesn't change the facts. Sosa cheated. Everybody knows it.