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<!--quoteo(post=45888:date=Jun 24 2009, 07:55 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 24 2009, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=45887:date=Jun 24 2009, 07:19 AM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Jun 24 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Rodriguez might be the most overrated player in the entire game.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lots of closers are overrated, that's kinda my point. There's a few real good ones and a whole bunch of average ones, we have an average one. We can bitch and moan all we want about Gregg, but the fact of the matter is, the difference between him and a majority of the closers out there is pretty miniscule. On top of that, what closer out there, that the Cubs could acquire would be a significant enough upgrade from Gregg to actually make a difference? The answer is none. Also, when's the last time a team traded for a closer midseason and that closer then led them to a postseason and beyond? I think never. Is Gregg great at closing? No. Is he servicable? Yes. Is he on par with just about every other closer out there? Yep. There always has to be a scapegoat, so I guess he can be it for the next couple of days
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Yeah, I'm (mostly) in agreement with you. I think there are maybe a couple more shutdown closers than you do, but I don't see Gregg as a problem at all.
As for K-Rod, a lot of people seem to think he's the best closer in the game just because he set the record for most saves in a season. He's a very good closer, no doubt, but neither his ERA nor his save percentage were among the league leaders among closers.
The thing you need to remember is that all Cardinals fans and all White Sox fans are very bad people. It's a fact that has been scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Being a Cubs fan is the only path to rightousness and piousness. Cardinal and White Sox fans exist to be the dark, diabolical forces that oppose us. They are the yin to our yang, the Joker to our Batman, the demon to our angel, the insurgence to our freedom, the oil to our water, the club to our baby seal. Their happiness occurs only in direct conflict with everything that is pure and good in this world.
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I would give my left nut for Joaquim Soria.
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<!--quoteo(post=45891:date=Jun 24 2009, 09:28 AM:name=Jody)-->QUOTE (Jody @ Jun 24 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would give my left nut for Joaquim Soria.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I guess Hendry can run that trade by the Royals but I'm not sure that your left nut is a good fit for KC.
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<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The right-handed-hitting Raburn pinch-hit for left-handed-hitting Josh Anderson against the right-handed Gregg. Raburn said Leyland went with the right-vs.-right matchup.
Leyland said the scouting showed Gregg throws a slider to righties, but not lefties. He hoped that if Gregg hung a slider, Raburn could drill it out.
That's how it happened.
A 1-in-2,000 shot, perhaps? Or maybe the night's final scene just involved two guys from the 2001 draft getting their shot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=45873:date=Jun 23 2009, 11:28 PM:name=jeffy)-->QUOTE (jeffy @ Jun 23 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Are there any decent closers that might be available for trade?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's one that is available to sign...Pedro Martinez.
Flame away.
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<!--quoteo(post=45898:date=Jun 24 2009, 10:17 AM:name=BackyardLegend)-->QUOTE (BackyardLegend @ Jun 24 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=45873:date=Jun 23 2009, 11:28 PM:name=jeffy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeffy @ Jun 23 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Are there any decent closers that might be available for trade?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's one that is available to sign...Pedro Martinez.
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<!--quoteo(post=45896:date=Jun 24 2009, 09:16 AM:name=Dirk)-->QUOTE (Dirk @ Jun 24 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=45891:date=Jun 24 2009, 09:28 AM:name=Jody)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jody @ Jun 24 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would give my left nut for Joaquim Soria.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I guess Hendry can run that trade by the Royals but I'm not sure that your left nut is a good fit for KC.
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Well it's not like I'm using it and besides he never hangs a breaking ball.
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<!--quoteo(post=45898:date=Jun 24 2009, 09:17 AM:name=BackyardLegend)-->QUOTE (BackyardLegend @ Jun 24 2009, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=45873:date=Jun 23 2009, 11:28 PM:name=jeffy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeffy @ Jun 23 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Are there any decent closers that might be available for trade?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's one that is available to sign...Pedro Martinez.
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Nothing against Pedro, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how he would fit on this team. Backup to Harden? Maybe. Middle reliever or setup man? Possibly. Closer? I don't know if he has the stuff to get the job done in that role on a consistent basis and he never has closed out games before either.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the intent of Lance's post wasn't to say that we won't make the playoffs because of Gregg, but to suggest that having Gregg close in the playoffs would be an absolute disaster. Does anyone doubt that it wouldn't be?
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<!--quoteo(post=45905:date=Jun 24 2009, 09:37 AM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Jun 24 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the intent of Lance's post wasn't to say that we won't make the playoffs because of Gregg, but to suggest that having Gregg close in the playoffs would be an absolute disaster. Does anyone doubt that it wouldn't be?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have no confidence in Gregg in big game situations. I have no confidence in the entire roster in high pressure situations for that matter, playoffs or otherwise.
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K Rod averages 6 BS per year and is on pace to blow 7 this year, same as Gregg.
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How are they on the same pace when Gregg has 3 and K-Rod has 2? (and I should add that one of K-Rod's came when Luis Castillo couldn't catch a pop-up)
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<!--quoteo(post=45908:date=Jun 24 2009, 09:58 AM:name=The Dude)-->QUOTE (The Dude @ Jun 24 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=45884:date=Jun 24 2009, 07:05 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 24 2009, 07:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=45872:date=Jun 23 2009, 11:02 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Jun 23 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Also, lets not forget guys like Heath Bell and Joe Nathan who are likely going to miss the playoffs. Then there is also that K-Rod guy. Ruby, just curious, who are your 2 shut down closers and your 20 mediocre ones?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
K Rod averages 6 BS per year and is on pace to blow 7 this year, same as Gregg.
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How are they on the same pace when Gregg has 3 and K-Rod has 2? (and I should add that one of K-Rod's came when Luis Castillo couldn't catch a pop-up)
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Probably because he's had slightly more opportunities. Also, take out the first month of the season and Gregg is 2-1, 10/12 in saves, and has an ERA of 3.57.
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I have no confidence in Gregg in big game situations. I have no confidence in the entire roster in high pressure situations for that matter, playoffs or otherwise.
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Good point. We have to actually score some runs in the playoffs before the closer is even needed. Right now we're having trouble scoring runs in regular season games, so I can't even think about the playoffs right now.
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<!--quoteo(post=45897:date=Jun 24 2009, 08:16 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 24 2009, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->The right-handed-hitting Raburn pinch-hit for left-handed-hitting Josh Anderson against the right-handed Gregg. Raburn said Leyland went with the right-vs.-right matchup.
Leyland said the scouting showed Gregg throws a slider to righties, but not lefties. He hoped that if Gregg hung a slider, Raburn could drill it out.
That's how it happened.
A 1-in-2,000 shot, perhaps? Or maybe the night's final scene just involved two guys from the 2001 draft getting their shot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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That was a smart move. Gregg has pitched really well against lefties this year, much lower batting average against and a much higher strikeout rate.
His slider really has been awful this year. Seems like he throws an absolute meatball hanger with it 2 or 3 times every time out and the HRs are piling up. Other than that he has been pretty good but he either needs to get that pitch right or stop throwing it.
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<!--quoteo(post=45905:date=Jun 24 2009, 10:37 AM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Jun 24 2009, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the intent of Lance's post wasn't to say that we won't make the playoffs because of Gregg, but to suggest that having Gregg close in the playoffs would be an absolute disaster. Does anyone doubt that it wouldn't be?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that was my point.
I'm 100% fine with this. I'm just glad there's an actual plan in place that isn't, "Let's load up on retreads and hope we get lucky." I'm a little tired of that plan.
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