Bradley

[1060Ivy]

<!--quoteo(post=60990:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Arlington, is known as a hitter's ball park. I was saying that he only hit 22 HRs there, his career high, that is not very impressive and doesn't speak well for one's power hitting ability. Additionally, he has only 11 HRs to this point in what is also a hitter-friendly ball park.

I think his switch hitting numbers have been covered enough in this thread to say that he currently is a sucky switch hitter.

I'm of the belief that you NEED to get production from your RFer. By production, I mean a guy who drives in runs. Milton is not that guy. I don't need a light-hitting OBP guy in RF when I have guys like that at SS, 2B, CF already.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't have an issue with Milton not hitting HRs as long as he can hit with some power. He should be slugging better than his 419 which is the lowest slugging % since 2002. He might not have HR power but the guy has to do better than what appears to be an extra base hit every other week.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=60990:date=Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Sep 1 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60939:date=Sep 1 2009, 02:54 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Sep 1 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->I'm not going to take the time to post responses. It's clear you just don't get it. Several points you didn't even seem to grasp. So we'll just say I'm wrong and you have way too much time on your hands.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Someone thinks they're a lot smarter then they really are huh? Scarey just destroyed your whole post and you can't defend it, so you just quit? Weak.
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It had nothing to do with being smart. The fact was he either took things out of context or just didn't get what I was trying to convey; that's not necessarily his fault.

I'll touch on some of the points now.

Arlington, is known as a hitter's ball park. I was saying that he only hit 22 HRs there, his career high, that is not very impressive and doesn't speak well for one's power hitting ability. Additionally, he has only 11 HRs to this point in what is also a hitter-friendly ball park.

I think his switch hitting numbers have been covered enough in this thread to say that he currently is a sucky switch hitter.

I'm of the belief that you NEED to get production from your RFer. By production, I mean a guy who drives in runs. Milton is not that guy. I don't need a light-hitting OBP guy in RF when I have guys like that at SS, 2B, CF already.
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Those are all fine points and I would have loved to hear them before. The switch hitting I'm still going to disagree wtih because throughout his career as a whole, he has proved he's a god left handed hitter.

As for the production comments, my response would be what's wrong with middle of the road? I understand that you want good production out of RF, but if Ramirez, Lee, and Soriano hit 30-35 HRs, Soto hits 20 HRs, and Fukudome and Bradley hit about 15 HRs, I don't really see the problem there. I would say that's about what we expected from those guys this year. It didn't work out this year and it may be hard for them to reach those HR levels in the future, so I understand why you would want more production in RF going forward.

I think the Cubs need to try to cut back spending till they get some of these contracts off the books personally though. So, I think we need to ride Bradley out and for the money he's getting, I think he'll produce about 15-20 HRs a year which isn't too bad. I just hope some of our other players improve their game.

[rok]

If Soriano and Soto hadn't had such disastrously awful seasons and had ARam not been hurt for 2 months, I think most people here would be loving Bradley at the moment. I'm pretty confident in that. He's not earning his pay, but he doesn't suck by any means.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=61170:date=Sep 2 2009, 09:34 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Sep 2 2009, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Soriano and Soto hadn't had such disastrously awful seasons and had ARam not been hurt for 2 months, I think most people here would be loving Bradley at the moment. I'm pretty confident in that. He's not earning his pay, but he doesn't suck by any means.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->



"not earning his pay" is the key phrase there. when did we start letting guys off the hook for "not earning their pay"? bradley has played well lately, after the cubs began their slide. coincidence? maybe, maybe not, but the fact remains that he's underperformed.

i find it funny that in defending bradley, rok and scarey used terms like "middle of the road" and "not earning his pay." i expect more than that from my players. you guys should too.

having said that, i defended bradley through most of his troubles. i really started turning on him when he failed to keep his mouth shut. players have bad years, but that doesn't mean they should be pussies about it.

personally, i'd love to see him traded. i think he's mentally weak. i also doubt that trade is going to happen. if he can put together a full year of playing like he has lately, i'll cut him some slack. alou did it, so i guess this guy can too. i have my doubts though.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=61183:date=Sep 2 2009, 10:09 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 2 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61170:date=Sep 2 2009, 09:34 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Sep 2 2009, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Soriano and Soto hadn't had such disastrously awful seasons and had ARam not been hurt for 2 months, I think most people here would be loving Bradley at the moment. I'm pretty confident in that. He's not earning his pay, but he doesn't suck by any means.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->



"not earning his pay" is the key phrase there. when did we start letting guys off the hook for "not earning their pay"? bradley has played well lately, after the cubs began their slide. coincidence? maybe, maybe not, but the fact remains that he's underperformed.

i find it funny that in defending bradley, rok and scarey used terms like "middle of the road" and "not earning his pay." i expect more than that from my players. you guys should too.

having said that, i defended bradley through most of his troubles. i really started turning on him when he failed to keep his mouth shut. players have bad years, but that doesn't mean they should be pussies about it.

personally, i'd love to see him traded. i think he's mentally weak. i also doubt that trade is going to happen. if he can put together a full year of playing like he has lately, i'll cut him some slack. alou did it, so i guess this guy can too. i have my doubts though.
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Believe me when I say that I don't understand why I've softened on Bradley. Maybe it's because I don't care about the rest of the season and I'm trying to take something, anything good away from this team and from the Bradley signing. It's a little unfair to say that he just now started hitting. The guy has been hitting in the upper .300s since July, even through that ridiculous drama from a few weeks ago. If the guy can rebound next season, and if the rest of the team can pull their weight, Bradley will be a nice piece to have on this team. I'll grant you that he's a nut, but not every player is going to be cute and cuddly. All I care about is performance. Again, I don't think he's earned his salary this season, but neither have Soriano, ARam (only because of injuries), Fuk (even though he's having a decent year), and Z. Even Soto at the league minimum hasn't earned his salary. All I'm saying is that it's hard to single out one guy just because he's a douche, when there are so many other players not cutting it. He at least is showing some life, unlike some people on this team. I don't want to trade him away for nothing, which at this point is what we'd be looking at doing.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=61183:date=Sep 2 2009, 10:09 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 2 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61170:date=Sep 2 2009, 09:34 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Sep 2 2009, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Soriano and Soto hadn't had such disastrously awful seasons and had ARam not been hurt for 2 months, I think most people here would be loving Bradley at the moment. I'm pretty confident in that. He's not earning his pay, but he doesn't suck by any means.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->



"not earning his pay" is the key phrase there. when did we start letting guys off the hook for "not earning their pay"? bradley has played well lately, after the cubs began their slide. coincidence? maybe, maybe not, but the fact remains that he's underperformed.

i find it funny that in defending bradley, rok and scarey used terms like "middle of the road" and "not earning his pay." i expect more than that from my players. you guys should too.

having said that, i defended bradley through most of his troubles. i really started turning on him when he failed to keep his mouth shut. players have bad years, but that doesn't mean they should be pussies about it.

personally, i'd love to see him traded. i think he's mentally weak. i also doubt that trade is going to happen. if he can put together a full year of playing like he has lately, i'll cut him some slack. alou did it, so i guess this guy can too. i have my doubts though.
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If you really wanna get so caught up on how much Bradley is making and how it relates to his production... I think you need to know he's only making 5 million this year. I'd say he has earned his pay this year. Yeah, he'll have to preform better going forward, but he's still not even making that much in 2010 and 2011 compared to Aramis and Soriano.

As far as not keeping his mouth shut, at least this one actually pertains to Bradley exclusively But really... who the fuck cares?

[vitaminB]

<!--quoteo(post=61205:date=Sep 2 2009, 12:16 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Sep 2 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61183:date=Sep 2 2009, 10:09 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 2 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61170:date=Sep 2 2009, 09:34 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Sep 2 2009, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Soriano and Soto hadn't had such disastrously awful seasons and had ARam not been hurt for 2 months, I think most people here would be loving Bradley at the moment. I'm pretty confident in that. He's not earning his pay, but he doesn't suck by any means.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->



"not earning his pay" is the key phrase there. when did we start letting guys off the hook for "not earning their pay"? bradley has played well lately, after the cubs began their slide. coincidence? maybe, maybe not, but the fact remains that he's underperformed.

i find it funny that in defending bradley, rok and scarey used terms like "middle of the road" and "not earning his pay." i expect more than that from my players. you guys should too.

having said that, i defended bradley through most of his troubles. i really started turning on him when he failed to keep his mouth shut. players have bad years, but that doesn't mean they should be pussies about it.

personally, i'd love to see him traded. i think he's mentally weak. i also doubt that trade is going to happen. if he can put together a full year of playing like he has lately, i'll cut him some slack. alou did it, so i guess this guy can too. i have my doubts though.
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If you really wanna get so caught up on how much Bradley is making and how it relates to his production... I think you need to know he's only making 5 million this year. I'd say he has earned his pay this year. Yeah, he'll have to preform better going forward, but he's still not even making that much in 2010 and 2011 compared to Aramis and Soriano.

As far as not keeping his mouth shut, at least this one actually pertains to Bradley exclusively But really... who the fuck cares?
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So if you back load a deal, it's okay to suck the first year? I'm not trying to be a dick, but you have to look at the whole deal, he got 10 per for 3 years. So just cause they decided to pay him more later (or if they did it with a big bonus, I'm not sure how his deal is structured) he still has to perform like a $10M / year player.

Look, I don't hate Bradley. I think he's a whinny bitch, but he's not the reason this team is sucking right now. It is wierd to me as well that he started to play better when we were out of it, I think it says something about his mental make up. But I don't think that's ever been in question.

[rok]

Ok, this is the second time today that someone mentioned this, so let me defend Bradley, which I hate to do again.

Bradley started playing better WAY before we fell out of contention. Check his stats since June:

June .273 .377 .348 .725
July .275 .457 .420 .878
Aug .308 .427 .484 .911

[PcB]

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Bradley started playing better WAY before we fell out of contention. Check his stats since June:

June .273 .377 .348 .725
July .275 .457 .420 .878
Aug .308 .427 .484 .911<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Steak Dinner BOOM!

[Brock]

<!--quoteo(post=61243:date=Sep 2 2009, 01:05 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Sep 2 2009, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Ok, this is the second time today that someone mentioned this, so let me defend Bradley, which I hate to do again.

Bradley started playing better WAY before we fell out of contention. Check his stats since June:

June .273 .377 .348 .725
July .275 .457 .420 .878
Aug .308 .427 .484 .911<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm not sure I'd use a .725 OPS month to defend a guy but July and Aug were certainly good.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=61262:date=Sep 2 2009, 01:38 PM:name=Brock)-->QUOTE (Brock @ Sep 2 2009, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61243:date=Sep 2 2009, 01:05 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Sep 2 2009, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Ok, this is the second time today that someone mentioned this, so let me defend Bradley, which I hate to do again.

Bradley started playing better WAY before we fell out of contention. Check his stats since June:

June .273 .377 .348 .725
July .275 .457 .420 .878
Aug .308 .427 .484 .911<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm not sure I'd use a .725 OPS month to defend a guy but July and Aug were certainly good.
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That and Rok should have included Milton's May numbers. He had a .787 OPS.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=61264:date=Sep 2 2009, 01:42 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Sep 2 2009, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61262:date=Sep 2 2009, 01:38 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Sep 2 2009, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61243:date=Sep 2 2009, 01:05 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Sep 2 2009, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Ok, this is the second time today that someone mentioned this, so let me defend Bradley, which I hate to do again.

Bradley started playing better WAY before we fell out of contention. Check his stats since June:

June .273 .377 .348 .725
July .275 .457 .420 .878
Aug .308 .427 .484 .911<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm not sure I'd use a .725 OPS month to defend a guy but July and Aug were certainly good.
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That and Rok should have included Milton's May numbers. He had a .787 OPS.
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Yeah, I realized that after I posted it. At first I thought he carried his rough start into May, but he didn't.

The only really bad month he's had was April. So, let me revise:

April .118 .333 .294 .627
May .268 .348 .439 .787
June .273 .377 .348 .725
July .275 .457 .420 .878
Aug .308 .427 .484 .911

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=61208:date=Sep 2 2009, 11:44 AM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Sep 2 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So if you back load a deal, it's okay to suck the first year?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Certainly not, I was just going by the whole "player should earn his paycheck" gripe Tom was on. I was being purposely close minded just because I find it funny to complain about a player not earning their paycheck.

Also, he didn't suck this year. He's hitting .270/.400/.425 on the year.

[PcB]

<!--quoteo(post=61266:date=Sep 2 2009, 01:48 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Sep 2 2009, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61208:date=Sep 2 2009, 11:44 AM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Sep 2 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So if you back load a deal, it's okay to suck the first year?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Certainly not, I was just going by the whole "player should earn his paycheck" gripe Tom was on. I was being purposely close minded just because I find it funny to complain about a player not earning their paycheck.

Also, he didn't suck this year. He's hitting .270/.400/.425 on the year.
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But, but... but we need to get rid of him. Blah random nonsensical baseball thoughts blah.


This is the perfect argument for the lazy person (me). I agree with you guys but that's really all I have to do since you guys are doing all the legwork looking up his stats and such.

[Brock]

<!--quoteo(post=61266:date=Sep 2 2009, 01:48 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Sep 2 2009, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=61208:date=Sep 2 2009, 11:44 AM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Sep 2 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So if you back load a deal, it's okay to suck the first year?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Certainly not, I was just going by the whole "player should earn his paycheck" gripe Tom was on. I was being purposely close minded just because I find it funny to complain about a player not earning their paycheck.

Also, he didn't suck this year. He's hitting .270/.400/.425 on the year.
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You're not at all disappointed that his SLG has dropped 140 points from last season?