What does Miles have on Lou and Jim?

[Scarey]

KB, I'm not sure how BT meant it, but I can only tell you how it reads to me. I think BT is saying that every time Hendry makes a slightly wrong move you crucify him for it. That also gets amplified by the fact that you rarely give him any credit. I'm not saying that you're implying moves like trading DeRosa are on par with trading Ruth, but I would agree that you tend to treat the performance of Jim Hendry as a one way street.

The only times that you really ever have given Hendry credit is when people call you out for bashing him and not giving him credit and I believe a few random times during last year's 97 win regular season (it shouldn't take a 97 win dream regular season to appreciate some of the positives that Hendry has brought this club).

Not trying to be an asshole, just trying to point how why you may rub some people the wrong way.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM:name=Prometheus)-->QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What this guy said.

[BT]

No, read my reply KB. I'm saying you treat EVERY move you don't agree with as though it's a comically bad decision with devastating results for the Cubs. You treat every bad move as if the implications are similar to the Ruth trade. These are just examples.

By the way, at no point did I say that you thought DeRosa was as good as Ruth. You did however compare forgetting his trade to asking people to forget the Ruth trade. However, since I never even came close to saying that you put DeRosa himself on par with Ruth the player, who is making "outlandish, clearly absurd misrepresentations of what the other guy is saying"?

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM:name=Prometheus)-->QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Welcome to the board, Prometheus.

I don't see any of these guys making any impact this year. Why is that important? Because the window for success with our core of talent is closing swiftly. In your argument you're assuming 1 year of service from DeRosa THIS SEASON = (x) year(s) of service from Stevens, Gaub, and Archer in some future date. And that's also assuming any of them will be effective major league pitchers.

This team is built to win now. A season of DeRosa this year is far more valuable than an unknown quantity/quality of bullpen arms somewhere down the road.

Now, if we decided to rebuild this season, then I'm all in favor of the risk. But we're not.

[vitaminB]

<!--quoteo(post=57613:date=Aug 13 2009, 10:43 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Welcome to the board, Prometheus.

I don't see any of these guys making any impact this year. Why is that important? Because the window for success with our core of talent is closing swiftly. In your argument you're assuming 1 year of service from DeRosa THIS SEASON = (x) year(s) of service from Stevens, Gaub, and Archer in some future date. And that's also assuming any of them will be effective major league pitchers.

This team is built to win now. A season of DeRosa this year is far more valuable than an unknown quantity/quality of bullpen arms somewhere down the road.

Now, if we decided to rebuild this season, then I'm all in favor of the risk. But we're not.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I wonder if any utility IF/OF has ever garnered this much discussion? If you think we'd be any better off this year with DeRosa playing every day at 2B, fine. I don't see it that way. I liked DeRo. I thought he played hard and provided a spark when necessary. But I don't think he's the reason we're 4 games back of the cards right now, unless he has some chiropractor skillz i don't know about. Here are our starting pitchers. Gorzallasdfsdfnlsy [Pittsburgh cast off] Wells [Blue Jays cast off] Smarfsasfdasja [Better WR than Pitcher]. How are we supposed to win with that? DeRosa wasn't/isn't going to affect that.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=57616:date=Aug 13 2009, 09:59 AM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Aug 13 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57613:date=Aug 13 2009, 10:43 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Welcome to the board, Prometheus.

I don't see any of these guys making any impact this year. Why is that important? Because the window for success with our core of talent is closing swiftly. In your argument you're assuming 1 year of service from DeRosa THIS SEASON = (x) year(s) of service from Stevens, Gaub, and Archer in some future date. And that's also assuming any of them will be effective major league pitchers.

This team is built to win now. A season of DeRosa this year is far more valuable than an unknown quantity/quality of bullpen arms somewhere down the road.

Now, if we decided to rebuild this season, then I'm all in favor of the risk. But we're not.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I wonder if any utility IF/OF has ever garnered this much discussion? If you think we'd be any better off this year with DeRosa playing every day at 2B, fine. I don't see it that way. I liked DeRo. I thought he played hard and provided a spark when necessary. But I don't think he's the reason we're 4 games back of the cards right now, unless he has some chiropractor skillz i don't know about. Here are our starting pitchers. Gorzallasdfsdfnlsy [Pittsburgh cast off] Wells [Blue Jays cast off] Smarfsasfdasja [Better WR than Pitcher]. How are we supposed to win with that? DeRosa wasn't/isn't going to affect that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Remember that long stretch of games when we were missing our best hitter and were playing very mediocre baseball? With Ramirez out, we had to move Fontenot to 3B and Miles to 2B. I think having DeRosa instead of Fontenot at 2B when Ramirez was healthy and DeRosa at 3B instead of Fontenot at 3B and Miles at 2B could have made anywhere from a 1-3 game difference during that span.

Obviously DeRosa wouldn't have helped our pitching. I'm not sure why that's being brought up. But in a season with a shitload of injuries to our position players, he would've helped. A lot.

I do find all of the posts bitching about the ongoing DeRosa discussion from people whose posts help to extend the DeRosa discussion kind of funny. If you'd like the discussion to die, don't post. Then I won't respond. Then this thread will fall to the bottom of the pile.

[vitaminB]

<!--quoteo(post=57620:date=Aug 13 2009, 11:17 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57616:date=Aug 13 2009, 09:59 AM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Aug 13 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57613:date=Aug 13 2009, 10:43 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Welcome to the board, Prometheus.

I don't see any of these guys making any impact this year. Why is that important? Because the window for success with our core of talent is closing swiftly. In your argument you're assuming 1 year of service from DeRosa THIS SEASON = (x) year(s) of service from Stevens, Gaub, and Archer in some future date. And that's also assuming any of them will be effective major league pitchers.

This team is built to win now. A season of DeRosa this year is far more valuable than an unknown quantity/quality of bullpen arms somewhere down the road.

Now, if we decided to rebuild this season, then I'm all in favor of the risk. But we're not.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I wonder if any utility IF/OF has ever garnered this much discussion? If you think we'd be any better off this year with DeRosa playing every day at 2B, fine. I don't see it that way. I liked DeRo. I thought he played hard and provided a spark when necessary. But I don't think he's the reason we're 4 games back of the cards right now, unless he has some chiropractor skillz i don't know about. Here are our starting pitchers. Gorzallasdfsdfnlsy [Pittsburgh cast off] Wells [Blue Jays cast off] Smarfsasfdasja [Better WR than Pitcher]. How are we supposed to win with that? DeRosa wasn't/isn't going to affect that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Remember that long stretch of games when we were missing our best hitter and were playing very mediocre baseball? With Ramirez out, we had to move Fontenot to 3B and Miles to 2B. I think having DeRosa instead of Fontenot at 2B when Ramirez was healthy and DeRosa at 3B instead of Fontenot at 3B and Miles at 2B could have made anywhere from a 1-3 game difference during that span.

Obviously DeRosa wouldn't have helped our pitching. I'm not sure why that's being brought up. But in a season with a shitload of injuries to our position players, he would've helped. A lot.

I do find all of the posts bitching about the ongoing DeRosa discussion from people whose posts help to extend the DeRosa discussion kind of funny. If you'd like the discussion to die, don't post. Then I won't respond. Then this thread will fall to the bottom of the pile.
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Do you remember when we had the best player in PCL history who could play 3B and we just left him in AAA? Jake Fox is/was just as usefull as DeRosa. If Jim/Lou had figured that out during that stretch of which you speak we'd have faired quite a bit better.

And I don't have a problem keeping the DeRo argument/discussion going? What else am I going to do, work?

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=57628:date=Aug 13 2009, 10:40 AM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Aug 13 2009, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57620:date=Aug 13 2009, 11:17 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57616:date=Aug 13 2009, 09:59 AM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Aug 13 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57613:date=Aug 13 2009, 10:43 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Welcome to the board, Prometheus.

I don't see any of these guys making any impact this year. Why is that important? Because the window for success with our core of talent is closing swiftly. In your argument you're assuming 1 year of service from DeRosa THIS SEASON = (x) year(s) of service from Stevens, Gaub, and Archer in some future date. And that's also assuming any of them will be effective major league pitchers.

This team is built to win now. A season of DeRosa this year is far more valuable than an unknown quantity/quality of bullpen arms somewhere down the road.

Now, if we decided to rebuild this season, then I'm all in favor of the risk. But we're not.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I wonder if any utility IF/OF has ever garnered this much discussion? If you think we'd be any better off this year with DeRosa playing every day at 2B, fine. I don't see it that way. I liked DeRo. I thought he played hard and provided a spark when necessary. But I don't think he's the reason we're 4 games back of the cards right now, unless he has some chiropractor skillz i don't know about. Here are our starting pitchers. Gorzallasdfsdfnlsy [Pittsburgh cast off] Wells [Blue Jays cast off] Smarfsasfdasja [Better WR than Pitcher]. How are we supposed to win with that? DeRosa wasn't/isn't going to affect that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Remember that long stretch of games when we were missing our best hitter and were playing very mediocre baseball? With Ramirez out, we had to move Fontenot to 3B and Miles to 2B. I think having DeRosa instead of Fontenot at 2B when Ramirez was healthy and DeRosa at 3B instead of Fontenot at 3B and Miles at 2B could have made anywhere from a 1-3 game difference during that span.

Obviously DeRosa wouldn't have helped our pitching. I'm not sure why that's being brought up. But in a season with a shitload of injuries to our position players, he would've helped. A lot.

I do find all of the posts bitching about the ongoing DeRosa discussion from people whose posts help to extend the DeRosa discussion kind of funny. If you'd like the discussion to die, don't post. Then I won't respond. Then this thread will fall to the bottom of the pile.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Do you remember when we had the best player in PCL history who could play 3B and we just left him in AAA? Jake Fox is/was just as usefull as DeRosa. If Jim/Lou had figured that out during that stretch of which you speak we'd have faired quite a bit better.

And I don't have a problem keeping the DeRo argument/discussion going? What else am I going to do, work?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Fox may be as useful as DeRosa but not at the same set of tasks. If we have DeRosa in the middle of the infield we can still call Fox up when Ramirez goes down

[Baron]

<!--quoteo(post=57593:date=Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What this guy said.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That guy gets it.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=57641:date=Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM:name=Baron)-->QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57593:date=Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What this guy said.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That guy gets it.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not so much.

[Baron]

<!--quoteo(post=57643:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57641:date=Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57593:date=Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What this guy said.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That guy gets it.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not so much.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh please, I agree with his post and have been impressed with his posts in the gamethread.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=57649:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:16 PM:name=Baron)-->QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57643:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57641:date=Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57593:date=Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What this guy said.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That guy gets it.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not so much.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh please, I agree with his post and have been impressed with his posts in the gamethread.
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OK? I'm happy for the two of you. That doesn't make him (or you) right.

[Baron]

<!--quoteo(post=57650:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:24 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57649:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:16 PM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57643:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57641:date=Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57593:date=Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What this guy said.
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That guy gets it.
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Not so much.
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Oh please, I agree with his post and have been impressed with his posts in the gamethread.
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OK? I'm happy for the two of you. That doesn't make him (or you) right.
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Your condescending attitude when arguing a point is so agitating. We get it, you think you are right and think we are retarded.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=57651:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:27 PM:name=Baron)-->QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57650:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:24 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57649:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:16 PM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57643:date=Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57641:date=Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM:name=Baron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 13 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57593:date=Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Aug 13 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=57582:date=Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM:name=Prometheus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prometheus @ Aug 12 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't see why people are still bashing this trade. DeRosa is having a decent year and he's a pretty good player, but he's entering the final year of his contract and he's definitely regressed in some areas (look at his K rates, his K/BB, his LD%, and his wOBA, all of which are worse than last season). His power production has lifted an otherwise mediocre season.

But the Cubs got pitching depth. They traded away 1 year of service for many years of service. Stevens has already made it to the majors and has pitched well between the big leagues and AAA. He'll be likely be a pen arm for the next few years. Gaub has been great between AA and AAA and might crack the major league roster this season. It's looking like he will also be in the bullpen for a while as a LOOGY. Even if Chris Archer doesn't make the major league team, the Cubs have traded away 1 year of service for quite a few more.

I don't mind the DeRosa trade, but I do mind the way Hendry bungled every subsequent move last offseason. Aaron Miles was a joke from the beginning.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What this guy said.
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That guy gets it.
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Not so much.
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Oh please, I agree with his post and have been impressed with his posts in the gamethread.
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OK? I'm happy for the two of you. That doesn't make him (or you) right.
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Your condescending attitude when arguing a point is so agitating. We get it, you think you are right and think we are retarded.
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I'm glad we're finally on the same page.

[Butcher]

By the way, I apologize for being a dick. I never intend to be mean-spirited in these threads. When BT (and others) and I go back and forth, we're both sort of being dicks to each other, but we both know it's all in good fun. I know that I transfer that tone to most other posters as well and I'm sure some people don't care for it.

I apologize for that, Baron. For real. I don't mean any harm.