Curtis Granderson?

[cigar]

One good things is with these kids is this. I don't think people can say that we don't have the prospects to make a move anymore. We sure seem like we are getting the type of prospects that other teams are going to be very interested in.

[Ace]

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Yeah, it's amazing. It seems like, in just one year, we went from bottom 10 in the league in prospects to top 10.

[rok]

I'm convinced that Rogers hasn't watched Granderson play in about 2 years.

[dk123]

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So, if there is a sports reporter who covers the Cubs, and he goes by Phil Rogers, and he is a fucktard at least 100% of the time, what are the odds that if he writes something, it will be fucktarded?

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=69092:date=Nov 14 2009, 10:41 AM:name=dk123)-->QUOTE (dk123 @ Nov 14 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69088:date=Nov 14 2009, 09:32 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 14 2009, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm convinced that Rogers hasn't watched Granderson play in about 2 years.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, if there is a sports reporter who covers the Cubs, and he goes by Phil Rogers, and he is a fucktard at least 100% of the time, what are the odds that if he writes something, it will be fucktarded?
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133%

[dk123]

<!--quoteo(post=69093:date=Nov 14 2009, 09:42 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Nov 14 2009, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69092:date=Nov 14 2009, 10:41 AM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Nov 14 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69088:date=Nov 14 2009, 09:32 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 14 2009, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm convinced that Rogers hasn't watched Granderson play in about 2 years.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, if there is a sports reporter who covers the Cubs, and he goes by Phil Rogers, and he is a fucktard at least 100% of the time, what are the odds that if he writes something, it will be fucktarded?
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133%
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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ruby.gif[/img] If you weren't a colossal dumbass, you would know the answer is 150%.

[Dave]

I dont hate the idea of a Granderson/Reed Johnson platoon in center, even though I know the odds of Johnson staying healthy are pretty slim. I would prefer that platoon to Rowand or Byrd or Wells in center.

[kbwsb]

Has anyone mentioned the idea of a Granderson for Milton Bradley trade?
I'd truly hate to give up Starlin Castro, who's probably our best prospect since Mark Prior.

You might think the Tigers would scoff, but Bradley would fit in well with that team (as well as he'll ever fit on any team). And the last time he played in the AL, he led the league in OPS, so it's not like Dombrowski isn't aware of how good a player Bradley can be in the right situation.

The hurdle here would seem to be money; the Tigers are trying to shed payroll. But I assume that when Jim shitcanned Bradley in September, he knew he'd have to eat a massive amount of money on the remaining deal. Thus, we could pay a large chunk of Bradley's salary, which we'd have to do anyway, and the Tigers save money, <i>and</i> acquire a possible difference-maker for Granderson, instead of just getting prospects.

I realize that this is pretty far-fetched, but if there's anyone in MLB who'd be willing to pull off a weird move like this, it's Dombrowski.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=69240:date=Nov 15 2009, 11:07 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Nov 15 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Has anyone mentioned the idea of a Granderson for Milton Bradley trade?
I'd truly hate to give up Starlin Castro, who's probably our best prospect since Mark Prior.

You might think the Tigers would scoff, but Bradley would fit in well with that team (as well as he'll ever fit on any team). And the last time he played in the AL, he led the league in OPS, so it's not like Dombrowski isn't aware of how good a player Bradley can be in the right situation.

The hurdle here would seem to be money; the Tigers are trying to shed payroll. But I assume that when Jim shitcanned Bradley in September, he knew he'd have to eat a massive amount of money on the remaining deal. Thus, we could pay a large chunk of Bradley's salary, which we'd have to do anyway, and the Tigers save money, <i>and</i> acquire a possible difference-maker for Granderson, instead of just getting prospects.

I realize that this is pretty far-fetched, but if there's anyone in MLB who'd be willing to pull off a weird move like this, it's Dombrowski.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Granderson for Bradley plus part of his salary and a prospect/draft pick or two doesn't sound too far fetched to me, from a Tigers perspective. They had no steady DH last season and it was an issue for them. But if Milt is a table setter he may not be the perfect DH candidate.

[Dirk]

<!--quoteo(post=69246:date=Nov 16 2009, 07:32 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Nov 16 2009, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69240:date=Nov 15 2009, 11:07 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Nov 15 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Has anyone mentioned the idea of a Granderson for Milton Bradley trade?
I'd truly hate to give up Starlin Castro, who's probably our best prospect since Mark Prior.

You might think the Tigers would scoff, but Bradley would fit in well with that team (as well as he'll ever fit on any team). And the last time he played in the AL, he led the league in OPS, so it's not like Dombrowski isn't aware of how good a player Bradley can be in the right situation.

The hurdle here would seem to be money; the Tigers are trying to shed payroll. But I assume that when Jim shitcanned Bradley in September, he knew he'd have to eat a massive amount of money on the remaining deal. Thus, we could pay a large chunk of Bradley's salary, which we'd have to do anyway, and the Tigers save money, <i>and</i> acquire a possible difference-maker for Granderson, instead of just getting prospects.

I realize that this is pretty far-fetched, but if there's anyone in MLB who'd be willing to pull off a weird move like this, it's Dombrowski.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Granderson for Bradley plus part of his salary and a prospect/draft pick or two doesn't sound too far fetched to me, from a Tigers perspective. They had no steady DH last season and it was an issue for them. But if Milt is a table setter he may not be the perfect DH candidate.
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If the Tigers traded Granderson it would be to save money, so the Cubs would have to eat enough of Bradly's contract the Tigers would still be saving money. Plus you can't trade draft picks.

[cherp]

<!--quoteo(post=69280:date=Nov 16 2009, 02:38 PM:name=Dirk)-->QUOTE (Dirk @ Nov 16 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69246:date=Nov 16 2009, 07:32 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Nov 16 2009, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69240:date=Nov 15 2009, 11:07 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Nov 15 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Has anyone mentioned the idea of a Granderson for Milton Bradley trade?
I'd truly hate to give up Starlin Castro, who's probably our best prospect since Mark Prior.

You might think the Tigers would scoff, but Bradley would fit in well with that team (as well as he'll ever fit on any team). And the last time he played in the AL, he led the league in OPS, so it's not like Dombrowski isn't aware of how good a player Bradley can be in the right situation.

The hurdle here would seem to be money; the Tigers are trying to shed payroll. But I assume that when Jim shitcanned Bradley in September, he knew he'd have to eat a massive amount of money on the remaining deal. Thus, we could pay a large chunk of Bradley's salary, which we'd have to do anyway, and the Tigers save money, <i>and</i> acquire a possible difference-maker for Granderson, instead of just getting prospects.

I realize that this is pretty far-fetched, but if there's anyone in MLB who'd be willing to pull off a weird move like this, it's Dombrowski.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Granderson for Bradley plus part of his salary and a prospect/draft pick or two doesn't sound too far fetched to me, from a Tigers perspective. They had no steady DH last season and it was an issue for them. But if Milt is a table setter he may not be the perfect DH candidate.
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If the Tigers traded Granderson it would be to save money, so the Cubs would have to eat enough of Bradly's contract the Tigers would still be saving money. Plus you can't trade draft picks.
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Right Dirk. The Cubs would have to eat the majority of the salary, and still possibly give up a decent prospect or two. With a huge open OF in Detroit, and already slowfooted rangeless OFs in RF (Ordonez) and LF (Guillen), they'd be killing their OF D if they give up this kid, unless Ramirez, their young Dominican CF is ready.

[Scarey]

Anyone have an idea of how good Granderson is defensively?

[Clapp]

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Hey KLAW! Can you give me a starting point for a Cubs deal for Granderson? Is Phil Rogers' article this morning suggesting Marmol and Castro too much?
Klaw
(1:15 PM)

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He's right, it would be idiotic. I said the same thing right when I saw that article last week. Granderson's a great clubhouse guy, solid player... not the player a lot of people are making him out to be. And he'd absolutely bat leadoff. 90% of the league's managers will put him at leadoff, especially Lou.

Granderson is one of my favorite people in the league, but I just don't really want to give up what it would probably take to get him. He's a waste of time against lefties and doesn't get on base enough for a quality leadoff hitter. While his stolen base percentage has been good, he doesn't run frequently(maybe that changes with a new manager though), and he's not getting any faster... like Soriano. He's struck out at least 141 times 3 of the last 4 years as well.

He'd be an ideal leader to replace Derrek Lee, would make the defense better with him in center and Kosuke in right, and overall produces solid offensive numbers, but I'm just not nearly as excited at the thought of trading for him as most seem to be. At the plate, he's pretty much a Soriano with less power and the ability to only hit against right-handers. I just don't really want anymore of these strikeout like crazy guys unless they get on base a lot or hit for a ton of power... like Dunn. They're streaky and I'm sick of relying on them to get hot for us to win games. Killed us in the last 2 playoff series.

I'd of course take Granderson, I just think it's going to take more than he's worth for this team to get him. I brought up the Victorino stuff to Destined, because it was being rumored that he was available as much as it was rumored Granderson was on the first day that news came out. I think he'd fit our team better.


Edit: I had thought Victorino's OBP was a little bit higher. I suppose they're about the same there, Granderson better if he goes back to what he was in 07-08.

[rok]

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Hey KLAW! Can you give me a starting point for a Cubs deal for Granderson? Is Phil Rogers' article this morning suggesting Marmol and Castro too much?
Klaw
(1:15 PM)

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He's right, it would be idiotic. I said the same thing right when I saw that article last week. Granderson's a great clubhouse guy, solid player... not the player a lot of people are making him out to be. And he'd absolutely bat leadoff. 90% of the league's managers will put him at leadoff, especially Lou.

Granderson is one of my favorite people in the league, but I just don't really want to give up what it would probably take to get him. He's a waste of time against lefties and doesn't get on base enough for a quality leadoff hitter. While his stolen base percentage has been good, he doesn't run frequently(maybe that changes with a new manager though), and he's not getting any faster... like Soriano. He's struck out at least 141 times 3 of the last 4 years as well.

He'd be an ideal leader to replace Derrek Lee, would make the defense better with him in center and Kosuke in right, and overall produces solid offensive numbers, but I'm just not nearly as excited at the thought of trading for him as most seem to be. At the plate, he's pretty much a Soriano with less power and the ability to only hit against right-handers. I just don't really want anymore of these strikeout like crazy guys unless they get on base a lot or hit for a ton of power... like Dunn. They're streaky and I'm sick of relying on them to get hot for us to win games. Killed us in the last 2 playoff series.

I'd of course take Granderson, I just think it's going to take more than he's worth for this team to get him. I brought up the Victorino stuff to Destined, because it was being rumored that he was available as much as it was rumored Granderson was on the first day that news came out. I think he'd fit our team much, much better.
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Absolutely agreed. I'd love to have him, and most teams would, but not at that cost and not for the role that we'd end up using him for. Now, if we were to add him and another middle IF who can lead off and in the process not end up gutting our farm system and adding too much payroll long-term, I'm all for it. It just wouldn't happen that way though.

[Clapp]

In a perfect world, we'd just go with the same outfield, Bradley wouldn't be such a pissface, he and Soriano would hit like they can, and we'd upgrade the middle infield.