Johnny Damon?

[rok]

I'm not so sure. I think that if Hendry truly wanted Byrd to sign a 3 year deal, he would have signed already. I think the Ricketts are imposing a little fiscal discipline on him for the first time in a few years. At least I hope that's the case.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=73177:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73125:date=Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM:name=Sandberg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sandberg @ Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would likely be able to stomach a one year contract for any of the available people. But I'd rather resign Reed and platoon him with Fuld before committing multiple years to any of them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Me fucking too.
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Sounds awful.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=73209:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73177:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73125:date=Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM:name=Sandberg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sandberg @ Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would likely be able to stomach a one year contract for any of the available people. But I'd rather resign Reed and platoon him with Fuld before committing multiple years to any of them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Me fucking too.
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Sounds awful.
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Sure...but it sounds less awful.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=73215:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73209:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73177:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73125:date=Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM:name=Sandberg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sandberg @ Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would likely be able to stomach a one year contract for any of the available people. But I'd rather resign Reed and platoon him with Fuld before committing multiple years to any of them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Me fucking too.
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Sounds awful.
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Sure...but it sounds less awful.
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I don't see that happening. I think it would appear that Hendry wasn't "trying." So he'll sign Byrd to make it at least appear that he's trying (even if Byrd's production wouldn't be all that much better than a Fuld/Reed platoon).

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=73215:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73209:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73177:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73125:date=Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM:name=Sandberg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sandberg @ Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would likely be able to stomach a one year contract for any of the available people. But I'd rather resign Reed and platoon him with Fuld before committing multiple years to any of them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Me fucking too.
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Sounds awful.
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Sure...but it sounds less awful.
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Less awful than what? There's not a single scenario out there worse than having Fuld as a platoon CFer, none, zero. A platoon of Johnson (and his inability to stay on the field) and Fuld(and his inability to be anything more than a 25th man) is the absolute worst option available.

[ruby23]

Also, all you people out there clamoring to build a bullpen with a bunch of no-name minor leaguers and plugging in CF with 2 guys incapable of handling it are so fucking delusional. Doing those things accomplishes what exactly? If I wanted to see the Iowa Cubs play, I head to Des Moines.

[Scarey]

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Saves payroll for worthwile acquisitions such as a possible replacement for Derrek Lee in the future or an ace starting pitcher. You can't just pay every player on the 25 man roster. If you get a couple of guys that can play adequately for very cheap (Marmol, Marshall, Theriot, Guzman, Soto), that improves payroll flexibility. Part of the reason the Cubs don't have payroll flexibility right now is the fact that they haven't developed a lot of guys like that. I figure if you have to have mediocre players on your team, than pay them less than a million per year rather than $3.5million.

[Runnys]

Honestly, if we are seriously thinking about platooning in center with Fuld/Reed, I think i would rather move Fuk to center and put Colvin or someone in right.

[PcB]

<!--quoteo(post=73233:date=Dec 29 2009, 10:33 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73215:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73209:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73177:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73125:date=Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM:name=Sandberg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sandberg @ Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would likely be able to stomach a one year contract for any of the available people. But I'd rather resign Reed and platoon him with Fuld before committing multiple years to any of them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Me fucking too.
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Sounds awful.
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Sure...but it sounds less awful.
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Less awful than what? There's not a single scenario out there worse than having Fuld as a platoon CFer, none, zero. A platoon of Johnson (and his inability to stay on the field) and Fuld(and his inability to be anything more than a 25th man) is the absolute worst option available.
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A worse scenario is paying Byrd to do the same thing Fuld would do. That's a far worse scenario.

[PcB]

<!--quoteo(post=73239:date=Dec 29 2009, 11:28 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 29 2009, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73234:date=Dec 29 2009, 12:36 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Also, all you people out there clamoring to build a bullpen with a bunch of no-name minor leaguers and plugging in CF with 2 guys incapable of handling it are so fucking delusional. Doing those things accomplishes what exactly?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Saves payroll for worthwile acquisitions such as a possible replacement for Derrek Lee in the future or an ace starting pitcher. You can't just pay every player on the 25 man roster. If you get a couple of guys that can play adequately for very cheap (Marmol, Marshall, Theriot, Guzman, Soto), that improves payroll flexibility. Part of the reason the Cubs don't have payroll flexibility right now is the fact that they haven't developed a lot of guys like that. I figure if you have to have mediocre players on your team, than pay them less than a million per year rather than $3.5million.
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This.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=73244:date=Dec 29 2009, 11:59 AM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Dec 29 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73233:date=Dec 29 2009, 10:33 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73215:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73209:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73177:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73125:date=Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM:name=Sandberg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sandberg @ Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would likely be able to stomach a one year contract for any of the available people. But I'd rather resign Reed and platoon him with Fuld before committing multiple years to any of them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Me fucking too.
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Sounds awful.
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Sure...but it sounds less awful.
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Less awful than what? There's not a single scenario out there worse than having Fuld as a platoon CFer, none, zero. A platoon of Johnson (and his inability to stay on the field) and Fuld(and his inability to be anything more than a 25th man) is the absolute worst option available.
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A worse scenario is paying Byrd to do the same thing Fuld would do. That's a far worse scenario.
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You can't even compare the 2 players, Fuld wishes he was Marlon Byrd.

[PcB]

<!--quoteo(post=73250:date=Dec 29 2009, 12:36 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73244:date=Dec 29 2009, 11:59 AM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Dec 29 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73233:date=Dec 29 2009, 10:33 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73215:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73209:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73177:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73125:date=Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM:name=Sandberg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sandberg @ Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would likely be able to stomach a one year contract for any of the available people. But I'd rather resign Reed and platoon him with Fuld before committing multiple years to any of them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Me fucking too.
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Sounds awful.
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Sure...but it sounds less awful.
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Less awful than what? There's not a single scenario out there worse than having Fuld as a platoon CFer, none, zero. A platoon of Johnson (and his inability to stay on the field) and Fuld(and his inability to be anything more than a 25th man) is the absolute worst option available.
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A worse scenario is paying Byrd to do the same thing Fuld would do. That's a far worse scenario.
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You can't even compare the 2 players, Fuld wishes he was Marlon Byrd.
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So you'd rather sign Byrd for 2 or 3 years to be mediocre? Does that get us any closer to a championship? No.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=73250:date=Dec 29 2009, 02:36 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73244:date=Dec 29 2009, 11:59 AM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Dec 29 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73233:date=Dec 29 2009, 10:33 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73215:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 29 2009, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73209:date=Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73177:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73125:date=Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM:name=Sandberg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sandberg @ Dec 28 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would likely be able to stomach a one year contract for any of the available people. But I'd rather resign Reed and platoon him with Fuld before committing multiple years to any of them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Me fucking too.
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Sounds awful.
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Sure...but it sounds less awful.
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Less awful than what? There's not a single scenario out there worse than having Fuld as a platoon CFer, none, zero. A platoon of Johnson (and his inability to stay on the field) and Fuld(and his inability to be anything more than a 25th man) is the absolute worst option available.
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A worse scenario is paying Byrd to do the same thing Fuld would do. That's a far worse scenario.
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You can't even compare the 2 players, Fuld wishes he was Marlon Byrd.
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What exactly do you expect Byrd to do as a Cub? And what do you expect he would sign for?

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=73239:date=Dec 29 2009, 11:28 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 29 2009, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73234:date=Dec 29 2009, 12:36 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Also, all you people out there clamoring to build a bullpen with a bunch of no-name minor leaguers and plugging in CF with 2 guys incapable of handling it are so fucking delusional. Doing those things accomplishes what exactly?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Saves payroll for worthwile acquisitions such as a possible replacement for Derrek Lee in the future or an ace starting pitcher. You can't just pay every player on the 25 man roster. If you get a couple of guys that can play adequately for very cheap (Marmol, Marshall, Theriot, Guzman, Soto), that improves payroll flexibility. Part of the reason the Cubs don't have payroll flexibility right now is the fact that they haven't developed a lot of guys like that. I figure if you have to have mediocre players on your team, than pay them less than a million per year rather than $3.5million.
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I assume you are referring to Grabow? Let me ask you something. Who are the really good left handed relievers that the market is paying less than a million a year for? And if we didn't sign Grabow, and on the .000000000001 percent chance that Gaub ISN'T the answer, whom should we be using in that spot?

[Rappster]

<!--quoteo(post=73253:date=Dec 29 2009, 12:50 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 29 2009, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73239:date=Dec 29 2009, 11:28 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 29 2009, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73234:date=Dec 29 2009, 12:36 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 29 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Also, all you people out there clamoring to build a bullpen with a bunch of no-name minor leaguers and plugging in CF with 2 guys incapable of handling it are so fucking delusional. Doing those things accomplishes what exactly?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Saves payroll for worthwile acquisitions such as a possible replacement for Derrek Lee in the future or an ace starting pitcher. You can't just pay every player on the 25 man roster. If you get a couple of guys that can play adequately for very cheap (Marmol, Marshall, Theriot, Guzman, Soto), that improves payroll flexibility. Part of the reason the Cubs don't have payroll flexibility right now is the fact that they haven't developed a lot of guys like that. I figure if you have to have mediocre players on your team, than pay them less than a million per year rather than $3.5million.
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I assume you are referring to Grabow? Let me ask you something. Who are the really good left handed relievers that the market is paying less than a million a year for? And if we didn't sign Grabow, and on the .000000000001 percent chance that Gaub ISN'T the answer, whom should we be using in that spot?
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Exactly...some of you guys are so desperate to be right, that you're almost rooting for your GM to fail.