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<!--quoteo(post=73374:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:30 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Dec 30 2009, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73372:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:26 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73369:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:17 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 30 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73367:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Dec 30 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73366:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73364:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM:name=cherp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cherp @ Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73357:date=Dec 30 2009, 10:00 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 30 2009, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73354:date=Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Maybe I'm in the minority, but another winning season doesn't mean shit to me without at the very least, a pennant. The time has come. Let's see what a different GM can do. That's my opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I think you speak for the majority of Cubs fans. I've been ready for a change since last offseason actually, since the Miles signing. I'm just not that adamant about it because I feel whoever is the GM will never win anything here ever. There, I said it.
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You really don't think it can happen here?
I do - but I don't think the difference between JH and GMX is the difference. I think winning a WS requires a lot to go right - all at once - from a lot of players. I think the Cubs have the talent to do it - and are overdue for the breaks...not sure when - but I don't know why it couldn't eventually happen with all the talent on this roster.
I still feel like a GM is grossly overrated.
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Large market GMs are mildly overrated. Small and medium market GMs can be the sole difference between a perennial loser and a playoff team.
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Explain yourself...
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Compare Minnesota's Terry Ryan to Kansas City's Dayton Moore. Compare the Marlins' Larry Beinfest to the Nationals' Jim Bowden (who was fired last year).
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Adding Billy Beane, as the shining example, of course.
How does that point possibly require explanation? Have you followed baseball in the last 20 years?
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Oh no...I completely agree with you. I'm a huge Terry Ryan fan, in fact.
I just love it when your little ears get red. You look just like the troll on my dashboard.
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You have a troll on your dashboard? What is this, 1985?
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<!--quoteo(post=73376:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:31 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 30 2009, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73374:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:30 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Dec 30 2009, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73372:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:26 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73369:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:17 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 30 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73367:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Dec 30 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73366:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73364:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM:name=cherp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cherp @ Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73357:date=Dec 30 2009, 10:00 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 30 2009, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73354:date=Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Maybe I'm in the minority, but another winning season doesn't mean shit to me without at the very least, a pennant. The time has come. Let's see what a different GM can do. That's my opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I think you speak for the majority of Cubs fans. I've been ready for a change since last offseason actually, since the Miles signing. I'm just not that adamant about it because I feel whoever is the GM will never win anything here ever. There, I said it.
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You really don't think it can happen here?
I do - but I don't think the difference between JH and GMX is the difference. I think winning a WS requires a lot to go right - all at once - from a lot of players. I think the Cubs have the talent to do it - and are overdue for the breaks...not sure when - but I don't know why it couldn't eventually happen with all the talent on this roster.
I still feel like a GM is grossly overrated.
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Large market GMs are mildly overrated. Small and medium market GMs can be the sole difference between a perennial loser and a playoff team.
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Explain yourself...
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Compare Minnesota's Terry Ryan to Kansas City's Dayton Moore. Compare the Marlins' Larry Beinfest to the Nationals' Jim Bowden (who was fired last year).
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Adding Billy Beane, as the shining example, of course.
How does that point possibly require explanation? Have you followed baseball in the last 20 years?
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Oh no...I completely agree with you. I'm a huge Terry Ryan fan, in fact.
I just love it when your little ears get red. You look just like the troll on my dashboard.
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You have a troll on your dashboard? What is this, 1985?
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I have 38 trolls across my dashboard...I talk to them...they talk to me...they tell me when to turn left.
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Why 38? When you got #37 did you just know you needed one more? When #38 arrived was there an overwhelming feeling of statisfaction and you knew that your troll collection was complete? This fascinates me.
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<!--quoteo(post=73381:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:38 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 30 2009, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Why 38? When you got #37 did you just know you needed one more? When #38 arrived was there an overwhelming feeling of statisfaction and you knew that your troll collection was complete? This fascinates me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was happy at 37...really. Then I saw Larry. He had purple hair, distinctive eyes, and came from an abusive home.
I performed a couple of surgeries on his foot, and am proud to say that he'll be graduating from charm school this year.
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<!--quoteo(post=73373:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:30 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 30 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73372:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:26 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73369:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:17 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 30 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73367:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Dec 30 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73366:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73364:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM:name=cherp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cherp @ Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73357:date=Dec 30 2009, 10:00 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 30 2009, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73354:date=Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Maybe I'm in the minority, but another winning season doesn't mean shit to me without at the very least, a pennant. The time has come. Let's see what a different GM can do. That's my opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I think you speak for the majority of Cubs fans. I've been ready for a change since last offseason actually, since the Miles signing. I'm just not that adamant about it because I feel whoever is the GM will never win anything here ever. There, I said it.
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You really don't think it can happen here?
I do - but I don't think the difference between JH and GMX is the difference. I think winning a WS requires a lot to go right - all at once - from a lot of players. I think the Cubs have the talent to do it - and are overdue for the breaks...not sure when - but I don't know why it couldn't eventually happen with all the talent on this roster.
I still feel like a GM is grossly overrated.
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Large market GMs are mildly overrated. Small and medium market GMs can be the sole difference between a perennial loser and a playoff team.
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Explain yourself...
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Compare Minnesota's Terry Ryan to Kansas City's Dayton Moore. Compare the Marlins' Larry Beinfest to the Nationals' Jim Bowden (who was fired last year).
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Adding Billy Beane, as the shining example, of course.
How does that point possibly require explanation? Have you followed baseball in the last 20 years?
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You see I don't think Billy Beane is a good example any longer. His teams have overachieved IMO, but are less impressive than the Marlins and the Twins.
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In the post steroid ERA, Beane has not done anything. And the Bay Area was the center of the entire Balco thing. If I had my choice, I'd take JH over BB any time.
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<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->In the end, Hendry doesn't suck. He was infinitely better than KB will ever admit but not nearly as good as BT or scarey think he is.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, see. THIS is why sometimes after reading this board, I want to kill myself.
Tom, quick, do me a favor and show me a time when I said anything remotely resembling "Jim Hendry is a GREAT GM!" (at least in the last 3 or 4 years). I have continuously (and apparently pointlessly) referred to him as average to below average. But on this board, when you take that controversial stand that "hey, maybe Hendry doesn't ass rape newly born puppies", that is the exact SAME thing as saying you LOVE him.
Countering KB's absurd disdain for Hendry is not the same thing as saying Hendry is great. Showing factual evidence that shows giving Neifi a 2 year 5 million dollar contract was not on par with the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees is NOT the same thing as saying it was a great move, or even a move I liked. Saying that the Grabow contract was market value is NOT the same thing as saying it was a Hendry masterstroke.
For example. Telling Ace that according to most metrics, Dempster was not only worth a lot more than he was paid last year, but that he was (according to WARP) the third most valuable player on the team last year (behind Lee and Lilly)does not mean I think Hendry should be immediately sent to Cooperstown for signing him. It means that the stats would seem to negate his comment about the Dempster deal.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that I'm not in the Jim Hendry fan club. I'd actually prefer a GM who pays more attention to stats to balance his reliance on scouts. My guess is that most of this applies to Scarey as well.
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Bullshit BT, We all know you were giving JH a reach around while you wrote this.
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<!--quoteo(post=73384:date=Dec 30 2009, 01:58 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 30 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->In the end, Hendry doesn't suck. He was infinitely better than KB will ever admit but not nearly as good as BT or scarey think he is.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, see. THIS is why sometimes after reading this board, I want to kill myself.
Tom, quick, do me a favor and show me a time when I said anything remotely resembling "Jim Hendry is a GREAT GM!" (at least in the last 3 or 4 years). I have continuously (and apparently pointlessly) referred to him as average to below average. But on this board, when you take that controversial stand that "hey, maybe Hendry doesn't ass rape newly born puppies", that is the exact SAME thing as saying you LOVE him.
Countering KB's absurd disdain for Hendry is not the same thing as saying Hendry is great. Showing factual evidence that shows giving Neifi a 2 year 5 million dollar contract was not on par with the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees is NOT the same thing as saying it was a great move, or even a move I liked. Saying that the Grabow contract was market value is NOT the same thing as saying it was a Hendry masterstroke.
For example. Telling Ace that according to most metrics, Dempster was not only worth a lot more than he was paid last year, but that he was (according to WARP) the third most valuable player on the team last year (behind Lee and Lilly)does not mean I think Hendry should be immediately sent to Cooperstown for signing him. It means that the stats would seem to negate his comment about the Dempster deal.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that I'm not in the Jim Hendry fan club. I'd actually prefer a GM who pays more attention to stats to balance his reliance on scouts. My guess is that most of this applies to Scarey as well.
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I was getting ready to make a similar post BT. This does apply to me as well.
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<!--quoteo(post=73373:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:30 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 30 2009, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73372:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:26 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73369:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:17 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 30 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73367:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:03 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Dec 30 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73366:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73364:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM:name=cherp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cherp @ Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73357:date=Dec 30 2009, 10:00 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 30 2009, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73354:date=Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Maybe I'm in the minority, but another winning season doesn't mean shit to me without at the very least, a pennant. The time has come. Let's see what a different GM can do. That's my opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I think you speak for the majority of Cubs fans. I've been ready for a change since last offseason actually, since the Miles signing. I'm just not that adamant about it because I feel whoever is the GM will never win anything here ever. There, I said it.
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You really don't think it can happen here?
I do - but I don't think the difference between JH and GMX is the difference. I think winning a WS requires a lot to go right - all at once - from a lot of players. I think the Cubs have the talent to do it - and are overdue for the breaks...not sure when - but I don't know why it couldn't eventually happen with all the talent on this roster.
I still feel like a GM is grossly overrated.
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Large market GMs are mildly overrated. Small and medium market GMs can be the sole difference between a perennial loser and a playoff team.
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Explain yourself...
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Compare Minnesota's Terry Ryan to Kansas City's Dayton Moore. Compare the Marlins' Larry Beinfest to the Nationals' Jim Bowden (who was fired last year).
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Adding Billy Beane, as the shining example, of course.
How does that point possibly require explanation? Have you followed baseball in the last 20 years?
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You see I don't think Billy Beane is a good example any longer. His teams have overachieved IMO, but are less impressive than the Marlins and the Twins.
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Shrug. He's the reason the A's have achieved like an upper middle market team with payrolls like a smaller market team. That's all I mean.
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No, I think you speak for the majority of Cubs fans. I've been ready for a change since last offseason actually, since the Miles signing. I'm just not that adamant about it because I feel whoever is the GM will never win anything here ever. There, I said it.
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You really don't think it can happen here?
I do - but I don't think the difference between JH and GMX is the difference. I think winning a WS requires a lot to go right - all at once - from a lot of players. I think the Cubs have the talent to do it - and are overdue for the breaks...not sure when - but I don't know why it couldn't eventually happen with all the talent on this roster.
I still feel like a GM is grossly overrated.
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Large market GMs are mildly overrated. Small and medium market GMs can be the sole difference between a perennial loser and a playoff team.
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Explain yourself...
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Compare Minnesota's Terry Ryan to Kansas City's Dayton Moore. Compare the Marlins' Larry Beinfest to the Nationals' Jim Bowden (who was fired last year).
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Adding Billy Beane, as the shining example, of course.
How does that point possibly require explanation? Have you followed baseball in the last 20 years?
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Oh no...I completely agree with you. I'm a huge Terry Ryan fan, in fact.
I just love it when your little ears get red. You look just like the troll on my dashboard.
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<!--quoteo(post=73384:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:58 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 30 2009, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->In the end, Hendry doesn't suck. He was infinitely better than KB will ever admit but not nearly as good as BT or scarey think he is.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, see. THIS is why sometimes after reading this board, I want to kill myself.
Tom, quick, do me a favor and show me a time when I said anything remotely resembling "Jim Hendry is a GREAT GM!" (at least in the last 3 or 4 years). I have continuously (and apparently pointlessly) referred to him as average to below average. But on this board, when you take that controversial stand that "hey, maybe Hendry doesn't ass rape newly born puppies", that is the exact SAME thing as saying you LOVE him.
Countering KB's absurd disdain for Hendry is not the same thing as saying Hendry is great. Showing factual evidence that shows giving Neifi a 2 year 5 million dollar contract was not on par with the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees is NOT the same thing as saying it was a great move, or even a move I liked. Saying that the Grabow contract was market value is NOT the same thing as saying it was a Hendry masterstroke.
For example. Telling Ace that according to most metrics, Dempster was not only worth a lot more than he was paid last year, but that he was (according to WARP) the third most valuable player on the team last year (behind Lee and Lilly)does not mean I think Hendry should be immediately sent to Cooperstown for signing him. It means that the stats would seem to negate his comment about the Dempster deal.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that I'm not in the Jim Hendry fan club. I'd actually prefer a GM who pays more attention to stats to balance his reliance on scouts. My guess is that most of this applies to Scarey as well.
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There goes Bt, blowing Hendry again.
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<!--quoteo(post=73384:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:58 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 30 2009, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->In the end, Hendry doesn't suck. He was infinitely better than KB will ever admit but not nearly as good as BT or scarey think he is.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yeah, see. THIS is why sometimes after reading this board, I want to kill myself.
Tom, quick, do me a favor and show me a time when I said anything remotely resembling "Jim Hendry is a GREAT GM!" (at least in the last 3 or 4 years). <b>I have continuously (and apparently pointlessly) referred to him as average to below average.</b> But on this board, when you take that controversial stand that "hey, maybe Hendry doesn't ass rape newly born puppies", that is the exact SAME thing as saying you LOVE him.
Countering KB's absurd disdain for Hendry is not the same thing as saying Hendry is great.
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Bt, do you realize how ironic that is? In the exact same post where you insist that people are wrongly stigmatizing you, you wrongly stigmatize me!
I agree with the part of your post that I boldened. (although I lean slightly more toward slightly below average instead of average. And even that is only because of his colossal payroll advantage. Otherwise, I'd say he's close to average. So, is it wrong to say that with an <i>above</i>-average GM, we might be closer to winning a World Series?)
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<!--quoteo(post=73413:date=Dec 30 2009, 03:23 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 30 2009, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73384:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:58 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 30 2009, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->In the end, Hendry doesn't suck. He was infinitely better than KB will ever admit but not nearly as good as BT or scarey think he is.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yeah, see. THIS is why sometimes after reading this board, I want to kill myself.
Tom, quick, do me a favor and show me a time when I said anything remotely resembling "Jim Hendry is a GREAT GM!" (at least in the last 3 or 4 years). <b>I have continuously (and apparently pointlessly) referred to him as average to below average.</b> But on this board, when you take that controversial stand that "hey, maybe Hendry doesn't ass rape newly born puppies", that is the exact SAME thing as saying you LOVE him.
Countering KB's absurd disdain for Hendry is not the same thing as saying Hendry is great.
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Bt, do you realize how ironic that is? In the exact same post where you insist that people are wrongly stigmatizing you, you wrongly stigmatize me!
I agree with the part of your post that I boldened. (although I lean slightly more toward slightly below average instead of average. And even that is only because of his colossal payroll advantage. Otherwise, I'd say he's close to average. So, is it wrong to say that with an <i>above</i>-average GM, we might be closer to winning a World Series?)
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Dude, you can sit there and type that you think Hendry is an average Gm until your fingers fall off. Most of the rest of your posts say completely the opposite.
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<!--quoteo(post=73416:date=Dec 30 2009, 03:31 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 30 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73413:date=Dec 30 2009, 03:23 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 30 2009, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73384:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:58 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 30 2009, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->In the end, Hendry doesn't suck. He was infinitely better than KB will ever admit but not nearly as good as BT or scarey think he is.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yeah, see. THIS is why sometimes after reading this board, I want to kill myself.
Tom, quick, do me a favor and show me a time when I said anything remotely resembling "Jim Hendry is a GREAT GM!" (at least in the last 3 or 4 years). <b>I have continuously (and apparently pointlessly) referred to him as average to below average.</b> But on this board, when you take that controversial stand that "hey, maybe Hendry doesn't ass rape newly born puppies", that is the exact SAME thing as saying you LOVE him.
Countering KB's absurd disdain for Hendry is not the same thing as saying Hendry is great.
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Bt, do you realize how ironic that is? In the exact same post where you insist that people are wrongly stigmatizing you, you wrongly stigmatize me!
I agree with the part of your post that I boldened. (although I lean slightly more toward slightly below average instead of average. And even that is only because of his colossal payroll advantage. Otherwise, I'd say he's close to average. So, is it wrong to say that with an <i>above</i>-average GM, we might be closer to winning a World Series?)
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Dude, you can sit there and type that you think Hendry is an average Gm until your fingers fall off. Most of the rest of your posts say completely the opposite.
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Oh, I'm totally aware that we categorize board members according to extreme examples of their views. That's cool. I'm the "hate Hendry guy." According to the board, I want to squeeze his skull in a vise, and BT and Scarey want to lick his scrotum for 14 straight hours.
A rational person would concede that the truth is somewhere in between. But being rational means you can't categorize and stigmatize people. And that kind of thing would never fly on a sports forum.
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Tom, quick, do me a favor and show me a time when I said anything remotely resembling "Jim Hendry is a GREAT GM!" (at least in the last 3 or 4 years). <b>I have continuously (and apparently pointlessly) referred to him as average to below average.</b> But on this board, when you take that controversial stand that "hey, maybe Hendry doesn't ass rape newly born puppies", that is the exact SAME thing as saying you LOVE him.
Countering KB's absurd disdain for Hendry is not the same thing as saying Hendry is great.
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Bt, do you realize how ironic that is? In the exact same post where you insist that people are wrongly stigmatizing you, you wrongly stigmatize me!
I agree with the part of your post that I boldened. (although I lean slightly more toward slightly below average instead of average. And even that is only because of his colossal payroll advantage. Otherwise, I'd say he's close to average. So, is it wrong to say that with an <i>above</i>-average GM, we might be closer to winning a World Series?)
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Dude, you can sit there and type that you think Hendry is an average Gm until your fingers fall off. Most of the rest of your posts say completely the opposite.
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Oh, I'm totally aware that we categorize board members according to extreme examples of their views. That's cool. I'm the "hate Hendry guy." According to the board, I want to squeeze his skull in a vise, and BT and Scarey want to lick his scrotum for 14 straight hours.
A rational person would concede that the truth is somewhere in between. But being rational means you can't categorize and stigmatize people. And that kind of thing would never fly on a sports forum.
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KB, I love you, but when YOU start preaching about rationality, that's when you lose me.
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