Byrd

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=73610:date=Dec 31 2009, 02:40 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 31 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->And I'm not debating that. This deal made me think about Hendry's backloading proclivities. And because Hendry's legacy will not ONLY be backloading, I mentioned the two main things that people gripe about. The Byrd deal relates, probably, to only the first.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Fair enough. But then let me ask this. Why is backloading something that anyone should gripe about (I'm speaking to everyone, not just Ace)?

In almost every case, backloading is BENEFICIAL to the team paying the contract. In most (not all) cases, a dollar 2 years from now will be worth less than a dollar right now. In most cases (not all), a team's budget will be higher in 2 years than it is now. Furthermore, if the Cubs wanted to, they could take the 2 million they are saving this year (People always seem to bitch about the back end of the contract, yet never seem to celebrate the fact that the front end is very light), invest it, and help defray the cost of the 2012 portion of the contract.

I don't see how backloading is a bad thing, from the team (as opposed to the players) perspective.
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Shrug. To me, it's like procrastination. Putting off 'til tomorrow what you should do today. Sometimes, it makes sense. Other times, it punishes future teams. I'm just frustrated with the endless cycle that Hendry has created with backloaded deals. He has to backload today because he backloaded yesterday. He had to backload yesterday because he backloaded the day before.

The Cubs are never actually fielding the team they're paying for. It just frustrates me is all, because it becomes a never-ending cycle. Irrational maybe, but I'd just rather get back to all square.

[BackyardLegend]

So who covers the other 50 so games for us in center field?

Because when I look at Byrd's numbers one thing that sticks out big time to me is that he averages 110 games per season.

[Butcher]

Also, you're paying more for a player as his skills (usually) decline. This makes them hard to unload, if necessary.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=73613:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:46 PM:name=BackyardLegend)-->QUOTE (BackyardLegend @ Dec 31 2009, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So who covers the other 50 so games for us in center field?

Because when I look at Byrd's numbers one thing that sticks out big time to me is that he averages 110 games per season.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Probably some combo of Fuk, Fuld and (if the trade ever happens) Spilborghs. That said, I expect Byrd to play 140+ games.

[BT]

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But if that is the case, it still doesn't hurt. Let's take Byrd for example. Let's say he completely sucks ass in 2012. The Cubs can pay 1.5 million dollars to deal him ( 1.5 million dollars in 2012 dollars, I might add), and they would be no worse off whatsoever than if they were paying him 5 million a year instead.

Even if you are PLANNING to ditch a guy in his 3rd year, backloading would still take a bite out of that.

[BackyardLegend]

<!--quoteo(post=73615:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:48 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Dec 31 2009, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73613:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:46 PM:name=BackyardLegend)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BackyardLegend @ Dec 31 2009, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So who covers the other 50 so games for us in center field?

Because when I look at Byrd's numbers one thing that sticks out big time to me is that he averages 110 games per season.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Probably some combo of Fuk, Fuld and (if the trade ever happens) Spilborghs. That said, I expect Byrd to play 140+ games.
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I couldn't be more disappointed with the way this off-season is shaping up.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=73617:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:54 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 31 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73614:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 31 2009, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Also, you're paying more for a player as his skills (usually) decline. This makes them hard to unload, if necessary.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


But if that is the case, it still doesn't hurt. Let's take Byrd for example. Let's say he completely sucks ass in 2012. The Cubs can pay 1.5 million dollars to deal him ( 1.5 million dollars in 2012 dollars, I might add), and they would be no worse off whatsoever than if they were paying him 5 million a year instead.

Even if you are PLANNING to ditch a guy in his 3rd year, backloading would still take a bite out of that.
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You're assuming the market for talent is always on a steady incline.

[Rappster]

<!--quoteo(post=73606:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:32 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73598:date=Dec 31 2009, 02:15 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 31 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73593:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:06 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73579:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:41 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 31 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73572:date=Dec 31 2009, 12:00 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Hendry's legacy will be all the backloaded contracts and the overpaying for so-called replacement level vets. It's a shame, as his tenure started out so well.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


But Byrd isn't a replacement level vet. His WAR last year would have made him the fourth best hitter on the team. And his WAR in 2008 would have made him the 4th best hitter on our 97 win team.

Unless you weren't referring to this pickup with your comment.
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I was referring to backloading with this particular deal.
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Stop writing a backloaded script...don't assume facts not in evidence.

Let's see the deal...then we'll analyze.


But he isn't replacement level.
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And I'm not debating that. This deal made me think about Hendry's backloading proclivities. And because Hendry's legacy will not ONLY be backloading, I mentioned the two main things that people gripe about. The Byrd deal relates, probably, to only the first.
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NM

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=73566:date=Dec 31 2009, 10:41 AM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Dec 31 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would assume he'd be #6 in the batting order??

Theriot
Fuk
DLee
ARam
Soriano
Byrd
Soto
Baker<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lou said during the winter meetings that Soriano is batting 6th.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=73622:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:59 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Dec 31 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73566:date=Dec 31 2009, 10:41 AM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Dec 31 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would assume he'd be #6 in the batting order??

Theriot
Fuk
DLee
ARam
Soriano
Byrd
Soto
Baker<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lou said during the winter meetings that Soriano is batting 6th.
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Lou has probably already forgotten he said that.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=73623:date=Dec 31 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 31 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73622:date=Dec 31 2009, 01:59 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Dec 31 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73566:date=Dec 31 2009, 10:41 AM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Dec 31 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would assume he'd be #6 in the batting order??

Theriot
Fuk
DLee
ARam
Soriano
Byrd
Soto
Baker<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lou said during the winter meetings that Soriano is batting 6th.
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Lou has probably already forgotten he said that.
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I just hope that Fuk doesn't end up batting 5th to provide "balance" to the lineup. I like him as a #2 hitter.

[Butcher]

I just hope we're not done shopping. The current team, as is, won't win the Central.

[Ace]

The deal is backloaded out the ass: $3 mill in 2010, $5.5 in 2011, and $6.5 in 2012.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=73628:date=Dec 31 2009, 02:06 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The deal is backloaded out the ass: $3 mill in 2010, $5.5 in 2011, and $6.5 in 2012.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah...for this contract, it doesn't bother me too much. 3/15, no matter how you slice it, isn't all that much. If he was getting 3/30 and it was 6/10/14 or some shit, I would be losing my head. But 3/5.5/6.5? Whateves.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=73628:date=Dec 31 2009, 02:06 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The deal is backloaded out the ass: $3 mill in 2010, $5.5 in 2011, and $6.5 in 2012.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's really not that extreme. The extra 1.5 mil > avg in 2012 won't handcuff us IMO unless he is completely worthless at that point.