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<!--quoteo(post=87992:date=Apr 10 2010, 06:57 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Apr 10 2010, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So basically you're saying he was available for cheap. So again, we should have signed him because I'd rather have a proven veteran (who was good last year) than inexperienced kids.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again I say - there's a reason he wasn't signed to a ML deal by *anyone.* Obviously the teams know something about his prospects for this year.
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The Cubs tried to sign him. He wanted a two year deal, when the Cubs were only offering a one year deal. Neither side was willing to budge, so he walked away.
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<!--quoteo(post=87993:date=Apr 10 2010, 05:03 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 10 2010, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87991:date=Apr 10 2010, 06:40 PM:name=AnnoCatuli)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AnnoCatuli @ Apr 10 2010, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87989:date=Apr 10 2010, 05:33 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 10 2010, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87813:date=Apr 10 2010, 12:39 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 10 2010, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87799:date=Apr 10 2010, 07:08 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Apr 10 2010, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Kiko Calero was available. I know we don't like to overpay for relievers, but I'd rather do that then throw unproven kids in critical situations. Calero was good last year and was affordable.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I'm assuming there's a reason why he didn't land a ML deal *anywhere.*
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The Mets signed him to a Minor League deal.
March 4, 2010 at 2:53pm CST
The Mets signed Kiko Calero to a minor league deal worth up to $1.5MM. He earns $850K if he makes the team, with another $650K available in incentives. There is no opt-out if the Mets send him to the minors.
As far as why he wasn't signed to a Major League deal, I am sure it has to do with his injury histroy
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Thank you, Mr. Explicit.
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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] And Ace I totally agree something must've been up with Kiko... but I would've liked to take a chance on him, rather than going with a bullpen of 4 guys that didn't even spend the majority of last season in the majors.
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<!--quoteo(post=87995:date=Apr 10 2010, 06:04 PM:name=AnnoCatuli)-->QUOTE (AnnoCatuli @ Apr 10 2010, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Cubs tried to sign him. He wanted a two year deal, when the Cubs were only offering a one year deal. Neither side was willing to budge, so he walked away.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So it was two years or nothing? His agent sure showed the Cubs with that minor league deal.
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<!--quoteo(post=88002:date=Apr 10 2010, 06:56 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 10 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=87995:date=Apr 10 2010, 06:04 PM:name=AnnoCatuli)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AnnoCatuli @ Apr 10 2010, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Cubs tried to sign him. He wanted a two year deal, when the Cubs were only offering a one year deal. Neither side was willing to budge, so he walked away.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So it was two years or nothing? His agent sure showed the Cubs with that minor league deal.
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He took a gamble, and lost. Its that simple.
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I thought for sure I've read this somewhere.....oh yeah, earlier in this thread....
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I heard that the Cubs tried to sign him, but he wanted a two year deal.
The Cubs were only offering a one year deal.
Neither side was willing to budge, so he walked away.
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<!--quoteo(post=88008:date=Apr 10 2010, 08:47 PM:name=MW4)-->QUOTE (MW4 @ Apr 10 2010, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I heard that the Cubs tried to sign him, but he wanted a two year deal.
The Cubs were only offering a one year deal.
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Ah, when you put it that way it makes perfect sense.
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Just so I have this straight:
-Hendry is an idiot for signing a veteran like Grabow to a contract that is fairly consistent with the market for veteran left handers, because it's stupid to overpay for veterans.
-Hendry is also an idiot for NOT signing enough veterans, so we are stuck depending on our rookie relievers.
-Hendry is also an idiot for not signing a guy who couldn't make the freaking METS bullpen, and is currently toiling in the minors.
So don't sign veterans, don't rely on rookies, and for God's sake, the answer to our bullpen problems clearly resides on the Mets AAA roster.
Got it.
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I don't think its spending money on relievers that is the problem but spending money on some mediocre ones. That's not to say he hasn't made some good bullpen signings and some good bullpen trades too.
I think at the time both the Howry and Hawkins deals were very good. They were both very good for us even, until they imploded in their last years, but I can't blame Hendry for that. They both had good career numbers and they produced at first. I also think Hendry did a good job putting the pen together last year, considering what he had to deal with. Gregg and Heilman both ended up failing, but Hendry got them in cheap trades and they both had solid track records. I don't think you can blame him for them sucking either.
The Eyre and Grabow signings are both kinda head-scratchers to me, considering they both have been fairly mediocre in their careers but got big contracts anyway. I know they are lefties, and I'm sure that's why they got the money they did but either way they are bad deals.
I also think its just a vocal minority here that hates spending any money on the bullpen. I think its necessary in today's game to spend some money on a couple guys at the end of the game. I definitely don't mind filling the last spot or two with a young guy every year, but I'm afraid we are gonna learn real fast you can't fill 3/4ths of the pen with them and succeed.
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<!--quoteo(post=88036:date=Apr 11 2010, 03:01 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Apr 11 2010, 03:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just so I have this straight:
-Hendry is an idiot for signing a veteran like Grabow to a contract that is fairly consistent with the market for veteran left handers, because it's stupid to overpay for veterans.
-Hendry is also an idiot for NOT signing enough veterans, so we are stuck depending on our rookie relievers.
-Hendry is also an idiot for not signing a guy who couldn't make the freaking METS bullpen, and is currently toiling in the minors.
So don't sign veterans, don't rely on rookies, and for God's sake, the answer to our bullpen problems clearly resides on the Mets AAA roster.
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It's just the first two. And for the first one, no one else believes Grabow's contract is consistent with what he would have gotten on the open market this season.
Those are the reasons, among others unrelated to the bullpen, Hendry is an idiot.
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Thank you, Ace. Thank you so much.
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The two of you never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
When you say "no one"...please exclude me.
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dk and Rapp,
BT makes a good point, as usual. (people will bitch whether a GM uses vets OR young guys in the pen. Period).
It's just a difference in philosophy. By definition, middle relievers are the worst pitchers on the team. Always. If they were better pitchers, they'd be starters or closers.
History seems to indicate that there is almost no way to predict how a certain mediocre pitcher will throw from one year to the next, which is why Ace and I (and many MLB watchers) think it's a poor financial plan to spend $3 million on a middle reliever when you usually get the same results from a $0.3 million guy. That's all.
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