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<!--quoteo(post=96889:date=May 18 2010, 10:12 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 18 2010, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96887:date=May 18 2010, 10:10 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ May 18 2010, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Your points are good, BT, but most of us are coming from a place where we already believed the move was a massive fuck-up - the day it was made.
Thus, it's still a massive fuck-up because the move did not prove to be a success.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But to call every move the Cubs make that we dont' like and doesn't work out a massive fuckup basically makes the term "massive fuckup" meaningless.
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Exactly...there seems to be an absolute desire to lose our collective minds over the unorthodox or inconsequential.
We're not flies on the wall...we don't know the inside story. Let people try things.
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<!--quoteo(post=97035:date=May 19 2010, 02:19 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ May 19 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96889:date=May 18 2010, 10:12 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 18 2010, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96887:date=May 18 2010, 10:10 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ May 18 2010, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Your points are good, BT, but most of us are coming from a place where we already believed the move was a massive fuck-up - the day it was made.
Thus, it's still a massive fuck-up because the move did not prove to be a success.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But to call every move the Cubs make that we dont' like and doesn't work out a massive fuckup basically makes the term "massive fuckup" meaningless.
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Exactly...there seems to be an absolute desire to lose our collective minds over the unorthodox or inconsequential.
We're not flies on the wall...we don't know the inside story. Let people try things.
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How many times did you use that line on drunk guys in college?
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<!--quoteo(post=96950:date=May 19 2010, 08:43 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 19 2010, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->I'm pretty good at reading between the lines (ok, well maybe not Lou's lines because everything out of his mouth is Buddha Spanish) and I never heard a word about the reason for this was to fix something wrong with Z. Never...not once.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, then don't bother reading between the lines, read the actual lines:
Hendry on Zambrano
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or this:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->"We're going to stretch him out to get back in the rotation and we'll see exactly when he's ready," Piniella said. "We took a chance that we needed to take. We thought his velocity would increase, and it hasn't.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It doesn't take a mind reader to infer the Cubs thought there was something wrong with Zambrano, and that putting him in the pen may help fix it.
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You know, had he said that before he made the move, I would have bought it. But he's saying after and therefore it smells like poopy.
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<!--quoteo(post=97035:date=May 19 2010, 02:19 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ May 19 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96889:date=May 18 2010, 10:12 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 18 2010, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96887:date=May 18 2010, 10:10 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ May 18 2010, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Your points are good, BT, but most of us are coming from a place where we already believed the move was a massive fuck-up - the day it was made.
Thus, it's still a massive fuck-up because the move did not prove to be a success.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But to call every move the Cubs make that we dont' like and doesn't work out a massive fuckup basically makes the term "massive fuckup" meaningless.
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Exactly...there seems to be an absolute desire to lose our collective minds over the unorthodox or inconsequential.
We're not flies on the wall...we don't know the inside story. Let people try things.
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Unorthodox? For sure. Inconsequential? Not even close.
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<!--quoteo(post=97039:date=May 19 2010, 02:22 PM:name=dk123)-->QUOTE (dk123 @ May 19 2010, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97035:date=May 19 2010, 02:19 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ May 19 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96889:date=May 18 2010, 10:12 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 18 2010, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96887:date=May 18 2010, 10:10 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ May 18 2010, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Your points are good, BT, but most of us are coming from a place where we already believed the move was a massive fuck-up - the day it was made.
Thus, it's still a massive fuck-up because the move did not prove to be a success.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But to call every move the Cubs make that we dont' like and doesn't work out a massive fuckup basically makes the term "massive fuckup" meaningless.
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Exactly...there seems to be an absolute desire to lose our collective minds over the unorthodox or inconsequential.
We're not flies on the wall...we don't know the inside story. Let people try things.
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How many times did you use that line on drunk guys in college?
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You go with what works...
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<!--quoteo(post=97056:date=May 19 2010, 02:39 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ May 19 2010, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97039:date=May 19 2010, 02:22 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ May 19 2010, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97035:date=May 19 2010, 02:19 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ May 19 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96889:date=May 18 2010, 10:12 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 18 2010, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96887:date=May 18 2010, 10:10 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ May 18 2010, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Your points are good, BT, but most of us are coming from a place where we already believed the move was a massive fuck-up - the day it was made.
Thus, it's still a massive fuck-up because the move did not prove to be a success.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But to call every move the Cubs make that we dont' like and doesn't work out a massive fuckup basically makes the term "massive fuckup" meaningless.
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Exactly...there seems to be an absolute desire to lose our collective minds over the unorthodox or inconsequential.
We're not flies on the wall...we don't know the inside story. Let people try things.
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How many times did you use that line on drunk guys in college?
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You go with what works...
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Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
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<!--quoteo(post=97047:date=May 19 2010, 02:29 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ May 19 2010, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=96950:date=May 19 2010, 08:43 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 19 2010, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->I'm pretty good at reading between the lines (ok, well maybe not Lou's lines because everything out of his mouth is Buddha Spanish) and I never heard a word about the reason for this was to fix something wrong with Z. Never...not once.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, then don't bother reading between the lines, read the actual lines:
Hendry on Zambrano
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->"It's not much of a secret the last year or year and a half, that he's not throwing as hard as a starter as he used to," general manager Jim Hendry said. "And we thought short-term, that would pick up his velocity and when he did go back to the rotation, he'd have a build-up in that velocity and some confidence in it."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
or this:
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It doesn't take a mind reader to infer the Cubs thought there was something wrong with Zambrano, and that putting him in the pen may help fix it.
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You know, had he said that before he made the move, I would have bought it. But he's saying after and therefore it smells like poopy.
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Hey, we agree about something! Here, you can squeeze this.
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Jayson Stark:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Cubs "stretched out" Zambrano by having him throw 2 pitches in the 8th tonight. At this rate, he'll be ready to start in just 50 more apps.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena. ![[Image: ITgoyeg.png]](http://i.imgur.com/ITgoyeg.png)
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Cubs "stretched out" Zambrano by having him throw 2 pitches in the 8th tonight. At this rate, he'll be ready to start in just 50 more apps.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Zambrano in all likelihood is going to have to pitch in 5 days, as it sounds like Gorz may have been hurt tonight. My guess is that they are pitching him to get him ready.
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<!--quoteo(post=97236:date=May 20 2010, 12:19 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 20 2010, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97235:date=May 19 2010, 11:14 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 19 2010, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97216:date=May 19 2010, 08:58 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ May 19 2010, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jayson Stark:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Cubs "stretched out" Zambrano by having him throw 2 pitches in the 8th tonight. At this rate, he'll be ready to start in just 50 more apps.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Zambrano in all likelihood is going to have to pitch in 5 days, as it sounds like Gorz may have been hurt tonight. My guess is that they are pitching him to get him ready.
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They don't have to rush him, at least not for Gorzelanny's next start. With the off day on Monday, they could push him back or skip a start.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena.
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<!--quoteo(post=97237:date=May 19 2010, 11:24 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ May 19 2010, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97236:date=May 20 2010, 12:19 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 20 2010, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97235:date=May 19 2010, 11:14 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 19 2010, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97216:date=May 19 2010, 08:58 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ May 19 2010, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jayson Stark:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Cubs "stretched out" Zambrano by having him throw 2 pitches in the 8th tonight. At this rate, he'll be ready to start in just 50 more apps.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Zambrano in all likelihood is going to have to pitch in 5 days, as it sounds like Gorz may have been hurt tonight. My guess is that they are pitching him to get him ready.
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They don't have to rush him, at least not for Gorzelanny's next start. With the off day on Monday, they could push him back or skip a start.
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But if that is the case, what is the downside to pitching him tonight?
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Cubs "stretched out" Zambrano by having him throw 2 pitches in the 8th tonight. At this rate, he'll be ready to start in just 50 more apps.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Zambrano in all likelihood is going to have to pitch in 5 days, as it sounds like Gorz may have been hurt tonight. My guess is that they are pitching him to get him ready.
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They don't have to rush him, at least not for Gorzelanny's next start. With the off day on Monday, they could push him back or skip a start.
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But if that is the case, what is the downside to pitching him tonight?
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It just doesn't fit what they said they were going to do. They said they were moving him to long relief in order to stretch him out to get him back to the rotation in short order. Instead, they've pitched him in short relief in the 2 games since they announced that.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena.
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I don't think Lou has a fucking clue what he's going to do with Zambrano. Our rotation is quite good and Z doesn't fit. I think we need to make a trade to get Z in the rotation.
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<!--quoteo(post=97276:date=May 20 2010, 08:08 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ May 20 2010, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't think Lou has a fucking clue what he's going to do with Zambrano. Our rotation is quite good and Z doesn't fit. I think we need to make a trade to get Z in the rotation.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's been the speculation all week from the media. Gorzelanny is the prime candidate for a trade, provided that this minor injury doesn't cause him to miss much time. Last night the reports were that Z could start against the Cards next week. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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