Cubs-White Sox Announcement?

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=93409:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.
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Oh.

Regardless. We're 2 games under .500 against the Sox and they're 9 games over .500 against the Royals. I don't see how you don't have a problem with that. In a tight division race, that series could make the difference between playing in the postseason or going home.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=93411:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93409:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.
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Oh.

Regardless. We're 2 games under .500 against the Sox and they're 9 games over .500 against the Royals. I don't see how you don't have a problem with that. In a tight division race, that series could make the difference between playing in the postseason or going home.
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Because there's so many other things that could matter. What if we play the Phillies three times, and go 3-6 against them, whilst they play three times against the Padres and go 7-2. That's worse because those are NL opponents that we could potentially be contending for the Wild Card with. Plus, we don't play the divisional opponents the same number of times anyways. We played a pair of 4 game series' with LA last year, and the Cardinals played an extra game against each the Pirates and Reds. Sure I'm splitting hairs with these examples, but I'm just sayin'. There's plenty of these few discrepancies with the schedule, that's how it is.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=93415:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93411:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93409:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.
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Oh.

Regardless. We're 2 games under .500 against the Sox and they're 9 games over .500 against the Royals. I don't see how you don't have a problem with that. In a tight division race, that series could make the difference between playing in the postseason or going home.
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Because there's so many other things that could matter. What if we play the Phillies three times, and go 3-6 against them, whilst they play three times against the Padres and go 7-2. That's worse because those are NL opponents that we could potentially be contending for the Wild Card with. Plus, we don't play the divisional opponents the same number of times anyways. We played a pair of 4 game series' with LA last year, and the Cardinals played an extra game against each the Pirates and Reds. Sure I'm splitting hairs with these examples, but I'm just sayin'. There's plenty of these few discrepancies with the schedule, that's how it is.
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I get that there are other problems with the schedule -- but that doesn't change the fact that it's still bullshit. Cards play .589 baseball against the Royals. We play .486 ball against the White Sox. It's built into our schedules every season. Just because there are other problems with the schedule, doesn't mean we should ignore this one.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=93417:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93415:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93411:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93409:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.
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Oh.

Regardless. We're 2 games under .500 against the Sox and they're 9 games over .500 against the Royals. I don't see how you don't have a problem with that. In a tight division race, that series could make the difference between playing in the postseason or going home.
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Because there's so many other things that could matter. What if we play the Phillies three times, and go 3-6 against them, whilst they play three times against the Padres and go 7-2. That's worse because those are NL opponents that we could potentially be contending for the Wild Card with. Plus, we don't play the divisional opponents the same number of times anyways. We played a pair of 4 game series' with LA last year, and the Cardinals played an extra game against each the Pirates and Reds. Sure I'm splitting hairs with these examples, but I'm just sayin'. There's plenty of these few discrepancies with the schedule, that's how it is.
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I get that there are other problems with the schedule -- but that doesn't change the fact that it's still bullshit. Cards play .589 baseball against the Royals. We play .486 ball against the White Sox. It's built into our schedules every season. Just because there are other problems with the schedule, doesn't mean we should ignore this one.
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I get that. I just think we need to worry about our problems first, and start worrying about the Diamondbacks, our situational hitting and bullpen, and not the White Sox and Cardinals. Isn't that why we make fun of the Sox fans? They pay more attention to us, than their own team. That's the stereotype, right?

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=93424:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:22 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93417:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93415:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93411:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93409:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.
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Oh.

Regardless. We're 2 games under .500 against the Sox and they're 9 games over .500 against the Royals. I don't see how you don't have a problem with that. In a tight division race, that series could make the difference between playing in the postseason or going home.
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Because there's so many other things that could matter. What if we play the Phillies three times, and go 3-6 against them, whilst they play three times against the Padres and go 7-2. That's worse because those are NL opponents that we could potentially be contending for the Wild Card with. Plus, we don't play the divisional opponents the same number of times anyways. We played a pair of 4 game series' with LA last year, and the Cardinals played an extra game against each the Pirates and Reds. Sure I'm splitting hairs with these examples, but I'm just sayin'. There's plenty of these few discrepancies with the schedule, that's how it is.
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I get that there are other problems with the schedule -- but that doesn't change the fact that it's still bullshit. Cards play .589 baseball against the Royals. We play .486 ball against the White Sox. It's built into our schedules every season. Just because there are other problems with the schedule, doesn't mean we should ignore this one.
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I get that. I just think we need to worry about our problems first, and start worrying about the Diamondbacks, our situational hitting and bullpen, and not the White Sox and Cardinals. Isn't that why we make fun of the Sox fans? They pay more attention to us, than their own team. That's the stereotype, right?
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I'm only worrying about them in the sense that there's a built-in discrepancy between our schedule and our biggest division rival's schedule every season. I'd have the same issue if we played the Red Sox 6 times a season and the Cardinals played the O's 6 times a season. It makes about as much sense and it would be just as unfair.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=93425:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:28 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93424:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:22 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93417:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93415:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93411:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93409:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.
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Oh.

Regardless. We're 2 games under .500 against the Sox and they're 9 games over .500 against the Royals. I don't see how you don't have a problem with that. In a tight division race, that series could make the difference between playing in the postseason or going home.
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Because there's so many other things that could matter. What if we play the Phillies three times, and go 3-6 against them, whilst they play three times against the Padres and go 7-2. That's worse because those are NL opponents that we could potentially be contending for the Wild Card with. Plus, we don't play the divisional opponents the same number of times anyways. We played a pair of 4 game series' with LA last year, and the Cardinals played an extra game against each the Pirates and Reds. Sure I'm splitting hairs with these examples, but I'm just sayin'. There's plenty of these few discrepancies with the schedule, that's how it is.
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I get that there are other problems with the schedule -- but that doesn't change the fact that it's still bullshit. Cards play .589 baseball against the Royals. We play .486 ball against the White Sox. It's built into our schedules every season. Just because there are other problems with the schedule, doesn't mean we should ignore this one.
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I get that. I just think we need to worry about our problems first, and start worrying about the Diamondbacks, our situational hitting and bullpen, and not the White Sox and Cardinals. Isn't that why we make fun of the Sox fans? They pay more attention to us, than their own team. That's the stereotype, right?
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I'm only worrying about them in the sense that there's a built-in discrepancy between our schedule and our biggest division rival's schedule every season. I'd have the same issue if we played the Red Sox 6 times a season and the Cardinals played the O's 6 times a season. It makes about as much sense and it would be just as unfair.
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I would be more upset at that. The White Sox are not a perennial playoff team.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=93426:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:33 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93425:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:28 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93424:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:22 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93417:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93415:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93411:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93409:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.
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Oh.

Regardless. We're 2 games under .500 against the Sox and they're 9 games over .500 against the Royals. I don't see how you don't have a problem with that. In a tight division race, that series could make the difference between playing in the postseason or going home.
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Because there's so many other things that could matter. What if we play the Phillies three times, and go 3-6 against them, whilst they play three times against the Padres and go 7-2. That's worse because those are NL opponents that we could potentially be contending for the Wild Card with. Plus, we don't play the divisional opponents the same number of times anyways. We played a pair of 4 game series' with LA last year, and the Cardinals played an extra game against each the Pirates and Reds. Sure I'm splitting hairs with these examples, but I'm just sayin'. There's plenty of these few discrepancies with the schedule, that's how it is.
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I get that there are other problems with the schedule -- but that doesn't change the fact that it's still bullshit. Cards play .589 baseball against the Royals. We play .486 ball against the White Sox. It's built into our schedules every season. Just because there are other problems with the schedule, doesn't mean we should ignore this one.
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I get that. I just think we need to worry about our problems first, and start worrying about the Diamondbacks, our situational hitting and bullpen, and not the White Sox and Cardinals. Isn't that why we make fun of the Sox fans? They pay more attention to us, than their own team. That's the stereotype, right?
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I'm only worrying about them in the sense that there's a built-in discrepancy between our schedule and our biggest division rival's schedule every season. I'd have the same issue if we played the Red Sox 6 times a season and the Cardinals played the O's 6 times a season. It makes about as much sense and it would be just as unfair.
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I would be more upset at that. The White Sox are not a perennial playoff team.
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You might be missing my point.

The White Sox have been near the top of their division most years while the Royals have been near the bottom of their division most years. Same with the Red Sox and O's.

The biggest difference is the bullshit "rivalry" between the Cubs and Sox somehow makes people care about these games. The series needs to die. It's stupid.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=93427:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:36 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93426:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:33 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93425:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:28 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93424:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:22 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93417:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93415:date=Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93411:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93409:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93403:date=Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 28 2010, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=93401:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 28 2010, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I get the Cards/Royals argument, but I think that's being nit-picky. Since Interleague play began, the Cardinals are 33-24 vs. KC, and the Cubs are 35-37 vs. CWS. That's only 5 1/2 games over the course of 13 years. Also, what's the difference than the one extra series that we have against another NL team every tear. We played 3 series against the Padres last year, and the Cards played the Mets an extra series. That warrants an equal argument, if you guys are going to worry about the Royals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
33-24 vs. 35-37 doesn't add up. Do we play the Sox more than the Cards play the Royals?
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Yes. There were a bunch of times they only played 3 games.
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Oh.

Regardless. We're 2 games under .500 against the Sox and they're 9 games over .500 against the Royals. I don't see how you don't have a problem with that. In a tight division race, that series could make the difference between playing in the postseason or going home.
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Because there's so many other things that could matter. What if we play the Phillies three times, and go 3-6 against them, whilst they play three times against the Padres and go 7-2. That's worse because those are NL opponents that we could potentially be contending for the Wild Card with. Plus, we don't play the divisional opponents the same number of times anyways. We played a pair of 4 game series' with LA last year, and the Cardinals played an extra game against each the Pirates and Reds. Sure I'm splitting hairs with these examples, but I'm just sayin'. There's plenty of these few discrepancies with the schedule, that's how it is.
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I get that there are other problems with the schedule -- but that doesn't change the fact that it's still bullshit. Cards play .589 baseball against the Royals. We play .486 ball against the White Sox. It's built into our schedules every season. Just because there are other problems with the schedule, doesn't mean we should ignore this one.
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I get that. I just think we need to worry about our problems first, and start worrying about the Diamondbacks, our situational hitting and bullpen, and not the White Sox and Cardinals. Isn't that why we make fun of the Sox fans? They pay more attention to us, than their own team. That's the stereotype, right?
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I'm only worrying about them in the sense that there's a built-in discrepancy between our schedule and our biggest division rival's schedule every season. I'd have the same issue if we played the Red Sox 6 times a season and the Cardinals played the O's 6 times a season. It makes about as much sense and it would be just as unfair.
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I would be more upset at that. The White Sox are not a perennial playoff team.
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You might be missing my point.

The White Sox have been near the top of their division most years while the Royals have been near the bottom of their division most years. Same with the Red Sox and O's.

The biggest difference is the bullshit "rivalry" between the Cubs and Sox somehow makes people care about these games. The series needs to die. It's stupid.
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I get that. I understand what you're saying.

[jstraw]

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The Cubs don't need this series -- they sell out almost every game. Hell -- today they drew 36,000 fans to a weekday day game in April against the Washington Nationals. The Sox need this series far more than we do (from an attendance/ratings perspective).

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It's about the Cubs' half of the BP payday...and merch.

[MrSheps]

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I don't. I mean Butch, it's not a bullshit rivalry, my god, you're the evidence of this. You're a grown man that can't stand the sight or thought of the sox or their fans so much that you don't even want to play them. You considered not voting for your presidential pick because he liked the Sox. Not working with people that like the Sox. People care about the games for these very reasons, it's a great rivalry that manifests in goodnatured fun for most fans all the way to anger for others. That's what a rivalry is. Two teams' fan bases that don't like one another, playing each other.

Again, I don't like that the Cards usually have it easier due to playing the Royals, but also again it's not a balanced schedule even if you take out those games. Change it to a 3 game set each year if that's the issue. But let's not pretend the Cubs hate the series and the Sox love it, the Cubs make bank on it too, not just with seats but with merchandise, advertising and broadcast. Oh and their fans love it too. Hell, I'd bet anything the Cubs were behind the Cup thing, again, another way to make money on it.

[funkster]

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I don't. I mean Butch, it's not a bullshit rivalry, my god, you're the evidence of this. You're a grown man that can't stand the sight or thought of the sox or their fans so much that you don't even want to play them. You considered not voting for your presidential pick because he liked the Sox. Not working with people that like the Sox. People care about the games for these very reasons, it's a great rivalry that manifests in goodnatured fun for most fans all the way to anger for others. That's what a rivalry is. Two teams' fan bases that don't like one another, playing each other.

Again, I don't like that the Cards usually have it easier due to playing the Royals, but also again it's not a balanced schedule even if you take out those games. Change it to a 3 game set each year if that's the issue. But let's not pretend the Cubs hate the series and the Sox love it, the Cubs make bank on it too, not just with seats but with merchandise, advertising and broadcast. Oh and their fans love it too. Hell, I'd bet anything the Cubs were behind the Cup thing, again, another way to make money on it.
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And actually a whole slew of people were at the announcement from the Cubs, while I believe the only Sox reps there were Beckham and one other player.

[Butcher]

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I don't. I mean Butch, it's not a bullshit rivalry, my god, you're the evidence of this. You're a grown man that can't stand the sight or thought of the sox or their fans so much that you don't even want to play them. You considered not voting for your presidential pick because he liked the Sox. Not working with people that like the Sox. People care about the games for these very reasons, it's a great rivalry that manifests in goodnatured fun for most fans all the way to anger for others. That's what a rivalry is. Two teams' fan bases that don't like one another, playing each other.

Again, I don't like that the Cards usually have it easier due to playing the Royals, but also again it's not a balanced schedule even if you take out those games. Change it to a 3 game set each year if that's the issue. But let's not pretend the Cubs hate the series and the Sox love it, the Cubs make bank on it too, not just with seats but with merchandise, advertising and broadcast. Oh and their fans love it too. Hell, I'd bet anything the Cubs were behind the Cup thing, again, another way to make money on it.
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Using me as an example doesn't work, though. I despise the games and I try my best to avoid watching them. They're the first games I put up on StubHub because I hate the atmosphere at Wrigley during the Cubs/Sox series and I have no desire to attend them.

My hatred for the White Sox is based almost entirely on the endless amount of shit talk I've had to endure since 2005 -- it has nothing to do with some manufactured "rivalry." Before 2005, I didn't care for them, but they didn't bother me and I was able to ignore them, for the most part. Everything has changed since 2005. I don't have to go into more detail about that, I'm sure.

I'm not sure how else to explain my feelings on this. They aren't in our division. They aren't in our league. Forcing the teams to play 6 games against each other is purely a marketing ploy. All of this makes it a bullshit rivalry.

[MrSheps]

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I don't. I mean Butch, it's not a bullshit rivalry, my god, you're the evidence of this. You're a grown man that can't stand the sight or thought of the sox or their fans so much that you don't even want to play them. You considered not voting for your presidential pick because he liked the Sox. Not working with people that like the Sox. People care about the games for these very reasons, it's a great rivalry that manifests in goodnatured fun for most fans all the way to anger for others. That's what a rivalry is. Two teams' fan bases that don't like one another, playing each other.

Again, I don't like that the Cards usually have it easier due to playing the Royals, but also again it's not a balanced schedule even if you take out those games. Change it to a 3 game set each year if that's the issue. But let's not pretend the Cubs hate the series and the Sox love it, the Cubs make bank on it too, not just with seats but with merchandise, advertising and broadcast. Oh and their fans love it too. Hell, I'd bet anything the Cubs were behind the Cup thing, again, another way to make money on it.
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Using me as an example doesn't work, though. I despise the games and I try my best to avoid watching them. They're the first games I put up on StubHub because I hate the atmosphere at Wrigley during the Cubs/Sox series and I have no desire to attend them.

My hatred for the White Sox is based almost entirely on the endless amount of shit talk I've had to endure since 2005 -- it has nothing to do with some manufactured "rivalry." Before 2005, I didn't care for them, but they didn't bother me and I was able to ignore them, for the most part. Everything has changed since 2005. I don't have to go into more detail about that, I'm sure.

I'm not sure how else to explain my feelings on this. They aren't in our division. They aren't in our league. Forcing the teams to play 6 games against each other is purely a marketing ploy. All of this makes it a bullshit rivalry.
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Yeah, if you're to the point that you seriously can't watch the games I get that you're not the best example of fans wanting it. But you're a great example of the intense feelings that illustrate it's a very real rivalry, that's my point. I've never met anyone else whose reaction to hating another team and its fans goes beyond wanting to beat them to not being able to watch the two teams compete. Usually those feelings make for awesome rivalries. That's sorta what you want.

And I agree, obviously there was and perhaps still is a manufactured element, but the feelings of rivalry are there, it's not the Cards and the Royals or the Twins and the Brewers, it's the age old battle between Sox and Cubs fans. Only instead of it being 1 exhibition a year it's games that matter. And MLB isn't forcing the teams or fans into it, they both appear to love it.

Again, I get that you hate it because you ultra-hate the Sox, but I don't think you can argue that the teams and the fans by and large hate it. Maybe you can argue they should hate it, but they don't. That's all I'm trying to get people to acknowledge here. More people want to watch those games more than any other games during the regular season. I'm not always a fan of the populist approach, but when it comes to mass entertainment, it's gotta count for something.

[Destined]

I agree Sheps. Much love my friend, you knocked it out of the park.

I've always gotten a kick out of the Good vs. Evil kind of rivalry it is. I never liked the Sox, and would hate watching them because of Hawk, ever since I was little. But, I never hated the Sox until AJ fucked over the Angels in the 2005 ALCS and then preceded to claim that people didn't like him because he's Polish. AJ and Ozzie make it so easy to hate them, and if we're going to make a buck off of it, as cheesy as it is, then I'm OK with that. If we can get an extra million or two a year off this rivalry, then that's the difference from having a farmhand in the pen, and having a real setup man. A difference like that would make up for not playing the Royals a few times a year.