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<!--quoteo(post=94593:date=May 4 2010, 11:50 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ May 4 2010, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You guys are ruthless. I definitely have a problem with tasing a kid that is just waving a a towel in the air at a slow jog. No reasonable person would consider him dangerous in that situation. He shouldn't have been on the field but it didn't warrant a tasing. Tackle him and be done with it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And what would have happened if he got tackled and broke his arm while falling to the ground or got hurt worse? Then people would have said that the force was too much. The way I see it is that 1) this kid KNOWS better than to do that 2) Instead of continuing to let this kid waste time the security guard decided to stop it 3) It didn't look like he kept shocking him, the kid wasn't twitching or anything (from what I saw).
Again, i have no problem with what they did, I think tasering the kid was much safer than someone tackling him like a linebacker. No one got down and put a knee in the middle of his back as they cuffed him and they didn't throw him around or anything to get the cuffs on. Maybe I am ruthless, but i see nothing wrong with what anyone did there EXCEPT for the dumbass that ran out onto the field.
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<!--quoteo(post=94593:date=May 4 2010, 11:50 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ May 4 2010, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You guys are ruthless. I definitely have a problem with tasing a kid that is just waving a a towel in the air at a slow jog. No reasonable person would consider him dangerous in that situation. He shouldn't have been on the field but it didn't warrant a tasing. Tackle him and be done with it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What happens if they tackle the kid and break an arm or something? At least with the taser there's an extremely small chance of injury. It may hurt more, but people need to think of the consequences of their actions before they do stupid things.
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You know who I'm most disappointed in? The other fans. A lunkhead running out on the field interrupting a baseball game is a PERFECT SITUATION for booing (see Soriano thread). Instead, they cheered him on, reserving their boos for the tasering.
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The fucking kid called his dad and asked his permission to do this. It wasn't just some crazy spur of the moment decision. He took the time to ask his father before he did it. His dad told him it was a bad idea, too.
I take back what I said before -- they should have beat the tar out of that little fucker.
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I don't feel sorry for the kid. The officer was a long distance from the kid and running. It looks like he missed a shot earlier in the video. I don't think you are supposed to use a taser to catch a fleeing suspect, especeially when there were other security around the kid.
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<!--quoteo(post=94588:date=May 4 2010, 10:38 AM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 4 2010, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The guy went down <i>because</i> he got tasered.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Looks like that to me too
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The kid is a knucklehead and put himself in that situation. Tasering him was still excessive force. It's a near certainty that security people there went through training and signed off on a policy that says the taser is for subduing violent individuals that represent an immediate threat of harm to themselves or others.
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<!--quoteo(post=94609:date=May 4 2010, 12:17 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ May 4 2010, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The kid is a knucklehead and put himself in that situation. Tasering him was still excessive force. It's a near certainty that security people there went through training and signed off on a policy that says the taser is for subduing violent individuals that represent an immediate threat of harm to themselves or others.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What do you feel would be the appropriate way of subduing in this given situation. I've seen people get tackled doing this kind of thing and I could see there being a much greater potential for long term injury compared to tasering.
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<!--quoteo(post=94593:date=May 4 2010, 09:50 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ May 4 2010, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You guys are ruthless. I definitely have a problem with tasing a kid that is just waving a a towel in the air at a slow jog. No reasonable person would consider him dangerous in that situation. He shouldn't have been on the field but it didn't warrant a tasing. Tackle him and be done with it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if that kid would've tried to set that towel on fire? What would that have meant to America? Huh?
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<!--quoteo(post=94611:date=May 4 2010, 12:28 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ May 4 2010, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94609:date=May 4 2010, 12:17 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ May 4 2010, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The kid is a knucklehead and put himself in that situation. Tasering him was still excessive force. It's a near certainty that security people there went through training and signed off on a policy that says the taser is for subduing violent individuals that represent an immediate threat of harm to themselves or others.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What do you feel would be the appropriate way of subduing in this given situation. I've seen people get tackled doing this kind of thing and I could see there being a much greater potential for long term injury compared to tasering.
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I don't disagree about the potential for harm if he'd been tackled. I'm just saying if the paper trail exists that I think probably exists, a lawyer could have a field day.
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<!--quoteo(post=94612:date=May 4 2010, 12:29 PM:name=vegascub)-->QUOTE (vegascub @ May 4 2010, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94593:date=May 4 2010, 09:50 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ May 4 2010, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You guys are ruthless. I definitely have a problem with tasing a kid that is just waving a a towel in the air at a slow jog. No reasonable person would consider him dangerous in that situation. He shouldn't have been on the field but it didn't warrant a tasing. Tackle him and be done with it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if that kid would've tried to set that towel on fire? What would that have meant to America? Huh?
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<!--quoteo(post=94611:date=May 4 2010, 12:28 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ May 4 2010, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94609:date=May 4 2010, 12:17 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ May 4 2010, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The kid is a knucklehead and put himself in that situation. Tasering him was still excessive force. It's a near certainty that security people there went through training and signed off on a policy that says the taser is for subduing violent individuals that represent an immediate threat of harm to themselves or others.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What do you feel would be the appropriate way of subduing in this given situation. I've seen people get tackled doing this kind of thing and I could see there being a much greater potential for long term injury compared to tasering.
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I'd also say that any fan that runs on the field has a reasonable expectation to be tackled, as that has been what's happened since the dawn of time. I don't think a fan has a reasonable expectation to be tasered.
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What do you feel would be the appropriate way of subduing in this given situation. I've seen people get tackled doing this kind of thing and I could see there being a much greater potential for long term injury compared to tasering.
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I'd also say that any fan that runs on the field has a reasonable expectation to be tackled, as that has been what's happened since the dawn of time. I don't think a fan has a reasonable expectation to be tasered.
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If that kid ran on the field, he should have been tasered and then had his nuts stomped on. I hate people who do that shit. I think he got off easy.
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Since he is a Philly fan, I thought he got off too easy.
Personally, I think the rule around baseball should be that if you run onto the field, you can expect to be beaten silly by an actual ball bat....by the players. Put it in writing. Let the games begin.
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