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<!--quoteo(post=97562:date=May 20 2010, 05:26 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 20 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97556:date=May 20 2010, 04:15 PM:name=The Dude)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dude @ May 20 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->ruby hasn't had much to say about the Grabow signing lately. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he was used the way I wanted him to be used, it wouldn't be an issue. He's not a inning-long reliever and not a multiple inning reliever. He's not a loogy in the literal sense, but he should never face more than 3 batters. The role that Lou seems to think he's fit for is just plain wrong though.
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What role should have?
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<!--quoteo(post=97645:date=May 21 2010, 09:57 AM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 21 2010, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Here's another disturbing stat:
72 of the 198 runs the Cubs have allowed have come in the seventh (39) and eighth (33) innings<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd have guessed something close to that.
If Lee and Rami were hitting and we had middle relief we'd be in first place.
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<!--quoteo(post=97649:date=May 21 2010, 09:00 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 21 2010, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97645:date=May 21 2010, 09:57 AM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 21 2010, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Here's another disturbing stat:
72 of the 198 runs the Cubs have allowed have come in the seventh (39) and eighth (33) innings<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Holy shit.
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Those are some dire numbers right there. I wonder how much patience Lou/Hendry will have with Howry. They've shown way too much with Grabow in my opinion. It's time to start seriously thinking about Cashner or Jackson in the pen.
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<!--quoteo(post=97651:date=May 21 2010, 10:02 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ May 21 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97562:date=May 20 2010, 05:26 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 20 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97556:date=May 20 2010, 04:15 PM:name=The Dude)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dude @ May 20 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->ruby hasn't had much to say about the Grabow signing lately. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he was used the way I wanted him to be used, it wouldn't be an issue. He's not a inning-long reliever and not a multiple inning reliever. He's not a loogy in the literal sense, but he should never face more than 3 batters. The role that Lou seems to think he's fit for is just plain wrong though.
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What role should have?
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Yeah, I'm confused. He hasn't done well with inherited runners either, so I'm guess he shouldn't be a bail out guy like Marmol's been in the past. He should just come in the 7th or 8th for one or two outs?
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<!--quoteo(post=97656:date=May 21 2010, 10:07 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ May 21 2010, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Yeah, I'm confused. He hasn't done well with inherited runners either, so I'm guess he shouldn't be a bail out guy like Marmol's been in the past. He should just come in the 7th or 8th for one or two runs?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fixed.
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<!--quoteo(post=97656:date=May 21 2010, 10:07 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ May 21 2010, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97651:date=May 21 2010, 10:02 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ May 21 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97562:date=May 20 2010, 05:26 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 20 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97556:date=May 20 2010, 04:15 PM:name=The Dude)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dude @ May 20 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->ruby hasn't had much to say about the Grabow signing lately. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he was used the way I wanted him to be used, it wouldn't be an issue. He's not a inning-long reliever and not a multiple inning reliever. He's not a loogy in the literal sense, but he should never face more than 3 batters. The role that Lou seems to think he's fit for is just plain wrong though.
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What role should have?
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Yeah, I'm confused. He hasn't done well with inherited runners either, so I'm guess he shouldn't be a bail out guy like Marmol's been in the past. He should just come in the 7th or 8th for one or two outs?
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That's worth $3.75M per year, right?
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<!--quoteo(post=97648:date=May 21 2010, 10:00 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ May 21 2010, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97559:date=May 20 2010, 05:17 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 20 2010, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97542:date=May 20 2010, 03:38 PM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ May 20 2010, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Good thing the market said we had to give him a 2 year deal.
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That is odd, because as we all know the market is usually PERFECT at evaluating middle relievers. I think we can all agree that there is no easier job for a GM than assembling a bullpen.
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I dont think it took a rocket scientist to realize that deal was crazy.
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Because everyone knew Grabow's ERA would double this year?
People complained about the amount Grabow was given, NOT that he was given a contract. If you knew Grabow was going to be this bad, seriously, you are a fucking savant.
It's possible Hendry paid more than market price for Grabow, but I don't think its clear. Regardless, people aren't complaining about the amount, they are complaining (rightfully) about the fact he is having his worst season ever.
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<!--quoteo(post=97656:date=May 21 2010, 10:07 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ May 21 2010, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97651:date=May 21 2010, 10:02 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ May 21 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97562:date=May 20 2010, 05:26 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 20 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97556:date=May 20 2010, 04:15 PM:name=The Dude)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dude @ May 20 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->ruby hasn't had much to say about the Grabow signing lately. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he was used the way I wanted him to be used, it wouldn't be an issue. He's not a inning-long reliever and not a multiple inning reliever. He's not a loogy in the literal sense, but he should never face more than 3 batters. The role that Lou seems to think he's fit for is just plain wrong though.
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What role should have?
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Yeah, I'm confused. He hasn't done well with inherited runners either, so I'm guess he shouldn't be a bail out guy like Marmol's been in the past. He should just come in the 7th or 8th for one or two outs?
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Yep, he should start the inning, be used for 1-3 hitters and then pulled, using him against lefty heavy lineups. Under no circumstance should he finish an inning, then be brought out for the next inning like Lou has been doing way too much. Marshall should be the permanent 8th inning guy.
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<!--quoteo(post=97681:date=May 21 2010, 11:44 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 21 2010, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97648:date=May 21 2010, 10:00 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ May 21 2010, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97559:date=May 20 2010, 05:17 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 20 2010, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97542:date=May 20 2010, 03:38 PM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ May 20 2010, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Good thing the market said we had to give him a 2 year deal.
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That is odd, because as we all know the market is usually PERFECT at evaluating middle relievers. I think we can all agree that there is no easier job for a GM than assembling a bullpen.
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I dont think it took a rocket scientist to realize that deal was crazy.
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Because everyone knew Grabow's ERA would double this year?
People complained about the amount Grabow was given, NOT that he was given a contract. If you knew Grabow was going to be this bad, seriously, you are a fucking savant.
It's possible Hendry paid more than market price for Grabow, but I don't think its clear. Regardless, people aren't complaining about the amount, they are complaining (rightfully) about the fact he is having his worst season ever.
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I admittedly didn't know that he would be this bad, but I knew he wasn't someone that could be relied on. He gives up too many hits/BBs and doesn't strike out enough guys. This isn't something new, it's been his whole career. To give you a basis of comparison, his career WHIP and K/9 numbers are extremely similar to 2008 Bob Howry.
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<!--quoteo(post=97683:date=May 21 2010, 11:55 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 21 2010, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97656:date=May 21 2010, 10:07 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ May 21 2010, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97651:date=May 21 2010, 10:02 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ May 21 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97562:date=May 20 2010, 05:26 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 20 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97556:date=May 20 2010, 04:15 PM:name=The Dude)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dude @ May 20 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->ruby hasn't had much to say about the Grabow signing lately. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he was used the way I wanted him to be used, it wouldn't be an issue. He's not a inning-long reliever and not a multiple inning reliever. He's not a loogy in the literal sense, but he should never face more than 3 batters. The role that Lou seems to think he's fit for is just plain wrong though.
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What role should have?
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Yeah, I'm confused. He hasn't done well with inherited runners either, so I'm guess he shouldn't be a bail out guy like Marmol's been in the past. He should just come in the 7th or 8th for one or two outs?
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Yep, he should start the inning, be used for 1-3 hitters and then pulled, using him against lefty heavy lineups. Under no circumstance should he finish an inning, then be brought out for the next inning like Lou has been doing way too much. Marshall should be the permanent 8th inning guy.
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I'm not sure why you want him to pitch to lefties specifically.
Career vs. RHB: .260/.349/.406
Career vs. LHB: .262/.333/.378
Sure, he's better against lefties, but not by very much at all.
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<!--quoteo(post=97684:date=May 21 2010, 11:59 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ May 21 2010, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97681:date=May 21 2010, 11:44 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 21 2010, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97648:date=May 21 2010, 10:00 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ May 21 2010, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97559:date=May 20 2010, 05:17 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 20 2010, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97542:date=May 20 2010, 03:38 PM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ May 20 2010, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Good thing the market said we had to give him a 2 year deal.
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That is odd, because as we all know the market is usually PERFECT at evaluating middle relievers. I think we can all agree that there is no easier job for a GM than assembling a bullpen.
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I dont think it took a rocket scientist to realize that deal was crazy.
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Because everyone knew Grabow's ERA would double this year?
People complained about the amount Grabow was given, NOT that he was given a contract. If you knew Grabow was going to be this bad, seriously, you are a fucking savant.
It's possible Hendry paid more than market price for Grabow, but I don't think its clear. Regardless, people aren't complaining about the amount, they are complaining (rightfully) about the fact he is having his worst season ever.
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I admittedly didn't know that he would be this bad, but I knew he wasn't someone that could be relied on. He gives up too many hits/BBs and doesn't strike out enough guys. This isn't something new, it's been his whole career. To give you a basis of comparison, his career WHIP and K/9 numbers are extremely similar to 2008 Bob Howry.
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Fair enough. But if he was pitching even to THOSE numbers, he would be the 3rd best reliever on our team this year.
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That is odd, because as we all know the market is usually PERFECT at evaluating middle relievers. I think we can all agree that there is no easier job for a GM than assembling a bullpen.
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I dont think it took a rocket scientist to realize that deal was crazy.
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Because everyone knew Grabow's ERA would double this year?
People complained about the amount Grabow was given, NOT that he was given a contract. If you knew Grabow was going to be this bad, seriously, you are a fucking savant.
It's possible Hendry paid more than market price for Grabow, but I don't think its clear. Regardless, people aren't complaining about the amount, they are complaining (rightfully) about the fact he is having his worst season ever.
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I admittedly didn't know that he would be this bad, but I knew he wasn't someone that could be relied on. He gives up too many hits/BBs and doesn't strike out enough guys. This isn't something new, it's been his whole career. To give you a basis of comparison, his career WHIP and K/9 numbers are extremely similar to 2008 Bob Howry.
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Fair enough. But if he was pitching even to THOSE numbers, he would be the 3rd best reliever on our team this year.
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I disagree. I think Russel would have still been better. Regardless, if he was putting up 2008 Howry-esque numbers it wouldn't matter if he was the 3rd best reliever or not. He would still be part of the problem.
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Grabow needs to be sent down, traded or cut... Russel should be given a shot in grabow's place...
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Grabow has no business on a major league roster. None.
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The reason Grabow is still a member of the team?
Three words: two year contract.
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