DLee

[Butcher]

First basemen who are better than Lee, off the top of my head.

- Pujols
- Cabrera
- Youkilis
- Gonzalez
- Fielder
- Dunn
- Teixeira
- Votto
- Morneau
- Konerko
- Huff (at least this year)

There are probably others.

No chance he's a Type A.

[Dirk]

<!--quoteo(post=108086:date=Jul 26 2010, 06:24 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 26 2010, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->First basemen who are better than Lee, off the top of my head.

- Pujols
- Cabrera
- Youkilis
- Gonzalez
- Fielder
- Dunn
- Teixeira
- Votto
- Morneau
- Konerko
- Huff (at least this year)

There are probably others.

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When did Dunn start playing first?

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=108082:date=Jul 26 2010, 05:14 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 26 2010, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108065:date=Jul 26 2010, 04:55 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 26 2010, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Lee waives his NTC, it's doubtful we would get much back for him. Also, and this might have been covered, I'm not entirely certain Lee would qualify as a type A free agent. If he is type B, there is no reason for the Cubs to even offer him arbitration, as he will be vastly overpaid even with a 20 percent cut in salary.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

He'll be a Type B, barring an insane finish to the season. If the Cubs offer arbitration, it's very likely he accepts - he'd no doubt get close to the $12.5 million he's making this year. Vets don't take paycuts in arbitration (and even if they do, it's at most 20 percent, as BT noted).

Edit to respond to Scarey: to be a Type A, a guy has to be in the top 20 percent at his position over the past two years. Take a look around baseball - to me, there's no way Lee is in the top 20 percent (i.e., top 6) at 1B over the past two years. Being in the top 40 percent (top 12) is even questionable.
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Isn't it the top 20% of all players that had the majority of their ABs at 1st? Meaning guys like Nady could qualify? I just didn't think it was as hard as that to qualify.

Also, do they go by stats when determining this? Which stats?

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=108089:date=Jul 26 2010, 07:18 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Jul 26 2010, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108082:date=Jul 26 2010, 05:14 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 26 2010, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108065:date=Jul 26 2010, 04:55 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 26 2010, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Lee waives his NTC, it's doubtful we would get much back for him. Also, and this might have been covered, I'm not entirely certain Lee would qualify as a type A free agent. If he is type B, there is no reason for the Cubs to even offer him arbitration, as he will be vastly overpaid even with a 20 percent cut in salary.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

He'll be a Type B, barring an insane finish to the season. If the Cubs offer arbitration, it's very likely he accepts - he'd no doubt get close to the $12.5 million he's making this year. Vets don't take paycuts in arbitration (and even if they do, it's at most 20 percent, as BT noted).

Edit to respond to Scarey: to be a Type A, a guy has to be in the top 20 percent at his position over the past two years. Take a look around baseball - to me, there's no way Lee is in the top 20 percent (i.e., top 6) at 1B over the past two years. Being in the top 40 percent (top 12) is even questionable.
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Isn't it the top 20% of all players that had the majority of their ABs at 1st? Meaning guys like Nady could qualify? I just didn't think it was as hard as that to qualify.

Also, do they go by stats when determining this? Which stats?
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As to the second question, it's the Elias Sports Bureau and they don't make the actual parts of the evaluation public (proprietary and such).

As to the first, good question. I think you're right, but I'm sure there's a minimum cut off (i.e., a dude with one MLB at bat in the past two years and he had it at first base is not going to be included in the denominator). And also, have the majority of Nady's at bats over the past two years really come at first? Nah.

[cigar]

If Cubs offer arbitration to Lee he is going to accept it for the reasons that Ace stated. They really need to try and trade him if he will accept it.

[Coldneck]

Plus, we need to open up 1B for Soriano to ride into his 50s. Our OF might be Byrd, Tyco, Jackson as soon as late 2011.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=108090:date=Jul 26 2010, 06:29 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 26 2010, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108089:date=Jul 26 2010, 07:18 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Jul 26 2010, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108082:date=Jul 26 2010, 05:14 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 26 2010, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108065:date=Jul 26 2010, 04:55 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 26 2010, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Lee waives his NTC, it's doubtful we would get much back for him. Also, and this might have been covered, I'm not entirely certain Lee would qualify as a type A free agent. If he is type B, there is no reason for the Cubs to even offer him arbitration, as he will be vastly overpaid even with a 20 percent cut in salary.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

He'll be a Type B, barring an insane finish to the season. If the Cubs offer arbitration, it's very likely he accepts - he'd no doubt get close to the $12.5 million he's making this year. Vets don't take paycuts in arbitration (and even if they do, it's at most 20 percent, as BT noted).

Edit to respond to Scarey: to be a Type A, a guy has to be in the top 20 percent at his position over the past two years. Take a look around baseball - to me, there's no way Lee is in the top 20 percent (i.e., top 6) at 1B over the past two years. Being in the top 40 percent (top 12) is even questionable.
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Isn't it the top 20% of all players that had the majority of their ABs at 1st? Meaning guys like Nady could qualify? I just didn't think it was as hard as that to qualify.

Also, do they go by stats when determining this? Which stats?
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As to the second question, it's the Elias Sports Bureau and they don't make the actual parts of the evaluation public (proprietary and such).

As to the first, good question. I think you're right, but I'm sure there's a minimum cut off (i.e., a dude with one MLB at bat in the past two years and he had it at first base is not going to be included in the denominator). And also, have the majority of Nady's at bats over the past two years really come at first? Nah.
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Barring a HUGE last 2 months, He's a B

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=108103:date=Jul 26 2010, 10:54 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 26 2010, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108090:date=Jul 26 2010, 06:29 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 26 2010, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108089:date=Jul 26 2010, 07:18 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Jul 26 2010, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108082:date=Jul 26 2010, 05:14 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 26 2010, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108065:date=Jul 26 2010, 04:55 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 26 2010, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Lee waives his NTC, it's doubtful we would get much back for him. Also, and this might have been covered, I'm not entirely certain Lee would qualify as a type A free agent. If he is type B, there is no reason for the Cubs to even offer him arbitration, as he will be vastly overpaid even with a 20 percent cut in salary.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

He'll be a Type B, barring an insane finish to the season. If the Cubs offer arbitration, it's very likely he accepts - he'd no doubt get close to the $12.5 million he's making this year. Vets don't take paycuts in arbitration (and even if they do, it's at most 20 percent, as BT noted).

Edit to respond to Scarey: to be a Type A, a guy has to be in the top 20 percent at his position over the past two years. Take a look around baseball - to me, there's no way Lee is in the top 20 percent (i.e., top 6) at 1B over the past two years. Being in the top 40 percent (top 12) is even questionable.
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Isn't it the top 20% of all players that had the majority of their ABs at 1st? Meaning guys like Nady could qualify? I just didn't think it was as hard as that to qualify.

Also, do they go by stats when determining this? Which stats?
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As to the second question, it's the Elias Sports Bureau and they don't make the actual parts of the evaluation public (proprietary and such).

As to the first, good question. I think you're right, but I'm sure there's a minimum cut off (i.e., a dude with one MLB at bat in the past two years and he had it at first base is not going to be included in the denominator). And also, have the majority of Nady's at bats over the past two years really come at first? Nah.
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Barring a HUGE last 2 months, He's a B
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I know we don't know the formula, but man, some of the results are pretty weird. Just look at the NL starting pitchers, for example. Some of the A's and B's are hard to figure.

[Fly]

<!--quoteo(post=108088:date=Jul 26 2010, 07:11 PM:name=Dirk)-->QUOTE (Dirk @ Jul 26 2010, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108086:date=Jul 26 2010, 06:24 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 26 2010, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->First basemen who are better than Lee, off the top of my head.

- Pujols
- Cabrera
- Youkilis
- Gonzalez
- Fielder
- Dunn
- Teixeira
- Votto
- Morneau
- Konerko
- Huff (at least this year)

There are probably others.

No chance he's a Type A.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When did Dunn start playing first?
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Last year

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=108213:date=Jul 27 2010, 12:44 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)-->QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ Jul 27 2010, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108088:date=Jul 26 2010, 07:11 PM:name=Dirk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dirk @ Jul 26 2010, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108086:date=Jul 26 2010, 06:24 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 26 2010, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->First basemen who are better than Lee, off the top of my head.

- Pujols
- Cabrera
- Youkilis
- Gonzalez
- Fielder
- Dunn
- Teixeira
- Votto
- Morneau
- Konerko
- Huff (at least this year)

There are probably others.

No chance he's a Type A.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When did Dunn start playing first?
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Last year
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Games played at 1B.

2002 - 44
2003 - 19
2004 - 10
2005 - 33
2006 - 2
2007 - 0
2008 - 19
2009 - 67
2010 - 94

[Runnys]

If it is true that Lee has declined trades to contenders then FUCK HIM!! I know it is his right and he has earned it, but what is the point of staying on a losing team when you can go to a contender?

[funkster]

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/4440

It's hard to get mad at him for using his NT rights.

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=108506:date=Jul 28 2010, 02:37 PM:name=Runnys)-->QUOTE (Runnys @ Jul 28 2010, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If it is true that Lee has declined trades to contenders then FUCK HIM!! I know it is his right and he has earned it, but what is the point of staying on a losing team when you can go to a contender?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yeah, I really don't see the whole "did it for my family" argument. It's only for 2 months.

[Kid]

<!--quoteo(post=108506:date=Jul 28 2010, 04:37 PM:name=Runnys)-->QUOTE (Runnys @ Jul 28 2010, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If it is true that Lee has declined trades to contenders then FUCK HIM!!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is stupid. No-trade clauses have value. Players give up money to get them. Would I have preferred if he had accepted the trade? Yes. But he negotiated that exact right and gave up money to get it. He has every right to use it and it's asinine to get upset at him.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=108546:date=Jul 28 2010, 03:10 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 28 2010, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108506:date=Jul 28 2010, 04:37 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Jul 28 2010, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If it is true that Lee has declined trades to contenders then FUCK HIM!!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is stupid. No-trade clauses have value. Players give up money to get them. Would I have preferred if he had accepted the trade? Yes. But he negotiated that exact right and gave up money to get it. He has every right to use it and it's asinine to get upset at him.
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Ding ding ding.