06-29-2009, 11:44 AM
<!--quoteo(post=46976:date=Jun 29 2009, 10:28 AM:name=hPOD)-->QUOTE (hPOD @ Jun 29 2009, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=46973:date=Jun 29 2009, 10:26 AM:name=Bricklayer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bricklayer @ Jun 29 2009, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=46955:date=Jun 29 2009, 10:05 AM:name=cherp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cherp @ Jun 29 2009, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=46947:date=Jun 29 2009, 09:50 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 29 2009, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=46946:date=Jun 29 2009, 09:47 AM:name=cherp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cherp @ Jun 29 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=46913:date=Jun 29 2009, 08:08 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 29 2009, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not to mention, the whole "Wrigley is the reason the Cubs draw so well" argument falls apart when you see Cubs fans fill all of the opposing teams' stadiums.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Chicagoans are all over the country. It's not a surprise that we put a lot of people in seats in other parks.
I don't know for sure Butch...Do you think this team would draw 3mm+ if the park were in Schaumburg or Arlington Heights? Would we still see people come without the neighborhood/bars?
The first few years would sell every ticket and then some. The die hards would always come for sure. But how long would that hold? I just don't know.
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It isn't a fair question, though. Because there would be a HUGE backlash if the Cubs were moved to some random suburb outside of Chicago. It would piss off a whole lot of die-hard Cubs fans, including myself.
The fair question would be is, "If Wrigley was torn down and a new stadium built in its place (or close by), would the Cubs still draw 3mm+ every season?"
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I don't think there is any doubt. If they stayed where they are, and built a nice new palace, that they'd draw. But Wrigley Field is more than just the history, the park and the bricks and ivy. It is the location. I think you could take the building that currently sits at 35th and Shields and move it to Clark and Addision, and 3.3mm Cubs fans would pack it to see the boys in blue and to then enjoy the neighborhood's environment.
I don't believe that people come just to see a Marquee, ivy, a statue, etc... I do, however, believe that if they vacate the neighborhood, that would be a different story. I just have no evidence to prove that one.
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Typical sox hypocrisy. Out of one side out your collective mouths you say that sox fans are more discerning and will not support a bad team like dumb Cubs fans. Implying that you do go out and support a good team, even though you couldn't even sell out important games in late 2005 against the Tribe as they were breathing down your neck. And have trouble getting sellouts when not palying the Cubs since. So that's bullshit. So then the argument changes to "the nieghborhood".
Well isn't that just convienent as all hell. One argument is shit, so change the argument.
I also love how more diplomatic you are even though we all know what complete Cubs hating dick you are.
Fucking dumbass cocksucking shit for brains.
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Actually, I never said that about the fans being stupid, Ozzie did. So please, let's not make me Ozzie, unless you're giving me the same money he's getting, then I probably wouldn't care if you put those words in my mouth. I never called you a "dumb Cubs fan" for supporting your team, win or lose.
And fuck you, too.
Bricklayer, more like dicklayer.
Asshat.
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You think Ozzie just came up with that? I've been hearing that bullshit forever. Fuck I remember Mike North saying the same shit years ago and all the amen sox fans calling in to voice their fucking agreement.
Dicklayer?
Amateur
Chicagoans are all over the country. It's not a surprise that we put a lot of people in seats in other parks.
I don't know for sure Butch...Do you think this team would draw 3mm+ if the park were in Schaumburg or Arlington Heights? Would we still see people come without the neighborhood/bars?
The first few years would sell every ticket and then some. The die hards would always come for sure. But how long would that hold? I just don't know.
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It isn't a fair question, though. Because there would be a HUGE backlash if the Cubs were moved to some random suburb outside of Chicago. It would piss off a whole lot of die-hard Cubs fans, including myself.
The fair question would be is, "If Wrigley was torn down and a new stadium built in its place (or close by), would the Cubs still draw 3mm+ every season?"
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I don't think there is any doubt. If they stayed where they are, and built a nice new palace, that they'd draw. But Wrigley Field is more than just the history, the park and the bricks and ivy. It is the location. I think you could take the building that currently sits at 35th and Shields and move it to Clark and Addision, and 3.3mm Cubs fans would pack it to see the boys in blue and to then enjoy the neighborhood's environment.
I don't believe that people come just to see a Marquee, ivy, a statue, etc... I do, however, believe that if they vacate the neighborhood, that would be a different story. I just have no evidence to prove that one.
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Typical sox hypocrisy. Out of one side out your collective mouths you say that sox fans are more discerning and will not support a bad team like dumb Cubs fans. Implying that you do go out and support a good team, even though you couldn't even sell out important games in late 2005 against the Tribe as they were breathing down your neck. And have trouble getting sellouts when not palying the Cubs since. So that's bullshit. So then the argument changes to "the nieghborhood".
Well isn't that just convienent as all hell. One argument is shit, so change the argument.
I also love how more diplomatic you are even though we all know what complete Cubs hating dick you are.
Fucking dumbass cocksucking shit for brains.
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Actually, I never said that about the fans being stupid, Ozzie did. So please, let's not make me Ozzie, unless you're giving me the same money he's getting, then I probably wouldn't care if you put those words in my mouth. I never called you a "dumb Cubs fan" for supporting your team, win or lose.
And fuck you, too.
Bricklayer, more like dicklayer.
Asshat.
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You think Ozzie just came up with that? I've been hearing that bullshit forever. Fuck I remember Mike North saying the same shit years ago and all the amen sox fans calling in to voice their fucking agreement.
Dicklayer?
Amateur
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