Cubs and Grabow discussing multi-year deal

[bz]

Does he throw left handed? Can he hit a breaking ball?

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=69843:date=Nov 20 2009, 08:31 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Nov 20 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69762:date=Nov 20 2009, 10:31 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 20 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Hendry has no sense of what the market is for certain players. Bradley had one other team offering him more than a 1-year deal (the Rays -- 2/13). Why the fuck did he offer him 3/30? Who was he bidding against? Same deal with Jock Jones. Same deal here. How about Aaron Fucking Miles? I think there's a good chance that Miles doesn't land a major league contract if Hendry didn't snatch him up.

Nobody was going to give up a first round pick for Grabow, so there was absolutely NO reason to not offer him arbitration. Either he accepts, and we sign him for a year or we work out a cheaper deal.

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you can say the same thing about soriano too.
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that no one was offering him a deal?

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=70048:date=Nov 24 2009, 02:14 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69843:date=Nov 20 2009, 08:31 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Nov 20 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69762:date=Nov 20 2009, 10:31 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 20 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Hendry has no sense of what the market is for certain players. Bradley had one other team offering him more than a 1-year deal (the Rays -- 2/13). Why the fuck did he offer him 3/30? Who was he bidding against? Same deal with Jock Jones. Same deal here. How about Aaron Fucking Miles? I think there's a good chance that Miles doesn't land a major league contract if Hendry didn't snatch him up.

Nobody was going to give up a first round pick for Grabow, so there was absolutely NO reason to not offer him arbitration. Either he accepts, and we sign him for a year or we work out a cheaper deal.

This better be Hendry's last year with this organization. I'm fed up.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


you can say the same thing about soriano too.
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that no one was offering him a deal?
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That he paid way more (in salary and years) than anyone else was going to.

[rok]

That's my biggest beef too. Soriano should have gotten 5-6 years max, and Bradley 1-2 years. Hendry seems to love tacking on an extra 2-3 years (in the case of guys like Miles and Blanco 1 year) to otherwise reasonable contracts. I don't even take issue with the amount we pay our players per annum, but it's the contract lengths that are head scratchers.

[The Dude]

just to add fuel to the fire, Neifi Perez and Glendon Rusch should also be exhibits in this case.

[rok]

What's with the board clock? The last few posts say 2 AM.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=70053:date=Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That's my biggest beef too. Soriano should have gotten 5-6 years max, and Bradley 1-2 years. Hendry seems to love tacking on an extra 2-3 years (in the case of guys like Miles and Blanco 1 year) to otherwise reasonable contracts. I don't even take issue with the amount we pay our players per annum, but it's the contract lengths that are head scratchers.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If I remember correctly, either the angels or Astros were offering 7 years as well. That is why Hendry bumped it up by a year. But again, none of us KNOWS what happened.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=70058:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70053:date=Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That's my biggest beef too. Soriano should have gotten 5-6 years max, and Bradley 1-2 years. Hendry seems to love tacking on an extra 2-3 years (in the case of guys like Miles and Blanco 1 year) to otherwise reasonable contracts. I don't even take issue with the amount we pay our players per annum, but it's the contract lengths that are head scratchers.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If I remember correctly, either the angels or Astros were offering 7 years as well. That is why Hendry bumped it up by a year. But again, none of us KNOWS what happened.
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That is true. I just remember a lot of speculation revolved around most teams offering 5-6 years. We'll never know for sure though.

[Butcher]

Hendry has a history of giving up too many years and too much money -- especially to mediocre talent. We know this. It's a fact.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=70059:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70058:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70053:date=Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That's my biggest beef too. Soriano should have gotten 5-6 years max, and Bradley 1-2 years. Hendry seems to love tacking on an extra 2-3 years (in the case of guys like Miles and Blanco 1 year) to otherwise reasonable contracts. I don't even take issue with the amount we pay our players per annum, but it's the contract lengths that are head scratchers.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If I remember correctly, either the angels or Astros were offering 7 years as well. That is why Hendry bumped it up by a year. But again, none of us KNOWS what happened.
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That is true. I just remember a lot of speculation revolved around most teams offering 5-6 years. We'll never know for sure though.
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The only reason Im fairly confident those offers were there was the fact that Hendry actually upped his offer from 7 years to 8 years. Even if you despise Hendry, you'd have to admit he would at least need SOME reason to do that.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=70062:date=Nov 24 2009, 04:17 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70059:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70058:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70053:date=Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That's my biggest beef too. Soriano should have gotten 5-6 years max, and Bradley 1-2 years. Hendry seems to love tacking on an extra 2-3 years (in the case of guys like Miles and Blanco 1 year) to otherwise reasonable contracts. I don't even take issue with the amount we pay our players per annum, but it's the contract lengths that are head scratchers.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If I remember correctly, either the angels or Astros were offering 7 years as well. That is why Hendry bumped it up by a year. But again, none of us KNOWS what happened.
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That is true. I just remember a lot of speculation revolved around most teams offering 5-6 years. We'll never know for sure though.
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The only reason Im fairly confident those offers were there was the fact that Hendry actually upped his offer from 7 years to 8 years. Even if you despise Hendry, you'd have to admit he would at least need SOME reason to do that.
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You make a reasonable point that none of us are really "in the know" when it comes to the behind the scenes dealings of a GM. However, I think the fact that there are many examples of JH offering too much for too long that trumps the argument. Fact is, JH frequently gives to much and too many and it has hurt the team's financial flexibility.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=70076:date=Nov 24 2009, 06:23 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Nov 24 2009, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70062:date=Nov 24 2009, 04:17 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70059:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70058:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70053:date=Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That's my biggest beef too. Soriano should have gotten 5-6 years max, and Bradley 1-2 years. Hendry seems to love tacking on an extra 2-3 years (in the case of guys like Miles and Blanco 1 year) to otherwise reasonable contracts. I don't even take issue with the amount we pay our players per annum, but it's the contract lengths that are head scratchers.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If I remember correctly, either the angels or Astros were offering 7 years as well. That is why Hendry bumped it up by a year. But again, none of us KNOWS what happened.
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That is true. I just remember a lot of speculation revolved around most teams offering 5-6 years. We'll never know for sure though.
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The only reason Im fairly confident those offers were there was the fact that Hendry actually upped his offer from 7 years to 8 years. Even if you despise Hendry, you'd have to admit he would at least need SOME reason to do that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You make a reasonable point that none of us are really "in the know" when it comes to the behind the scenes dealings of a GM. However, I think the fact that there are many examples of JH offering too much for too long that trumps the argument. Fact is, JH frequently gives to much and too many and it has hurt the team's financial flexibility.
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What I don't understand about all of this is why Coldneck isn't the Cubs GM. He obviously operates at a higher mental capacity compared to Hendry.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=70079:date=Nov 24 2009, 06:40 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Nov 24 2009, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70076:date=Nov 24 2009, 06:23 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Nov 24 2009, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70062:date=Nov 24 2009, 04:17 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70059:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70058:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70053:date=Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That's my biggest beef too. Soriano should have gotten 5-6 years max, and Bradley 1-2 years. Hendry seems to love tacking on an extra 2-3 years (in the case of guys like Miles and Blanco 1 year) to otherwise reasonable contracts. I don't even take issue with the amount we pay our players per annum, but it's the contract lengths that are head scratchers.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If I remember correctly, either the angels or Astros were offering 7 years as well. That is why Hendry bumped it up by a year. But again, none of us KNOWS what happened.
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That is true. I just remember a lot of speculation revolved around most teams offering 5-6 years. We'll never know for sure though.
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The only reason Im fairly confident those offers were there was the fact that Hendry actually upped his offer from 7 years to 8 years. Even if you despise Hendry, you'd have to admit he would at least need SOME reason to do that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You make a reasonable point that none of us are really "in the know" when it comes to the behind the scenes dealings of a GM. However, I think the fact that there are many examples of JH offering too much for too long that trumps the argument. Fact is, JH frequently gives to much and too many and it has hurt the team's financial flexibility.
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What I don't understand about all of this is why Coldneck isn't the Cubs GM. He obviously operates at a higher mental capacity compared to Hendry.
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Really! You don't think I am qualified to critique the GMs job performance? That's what fans do. You don't have to agree with it. Just don't be all douchey in the process.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=70087:date=Nov 24 2009, 06:04 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Nov 24 2009, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70079:date=Nov 24 2009, 06:40 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Nov 24 2009, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70076:date=Nov 24 2009, 06:23 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Nov 24 2009, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70062:date=Nov 24 2009, 04:17 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70059:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70058:date=Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 24 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=70053:date=Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Nov 24 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That's my biggest beef too. Soriano should have gotten 5-6 years max, and Bradley 1-2 years. Hendry seems to love tacking on an extra 2-3 years (in the case of guys like Miles and Blanco 1 year) to otherwise reasonable contracts. I don't even take issue with the amount we pay our players per annum, but it's the contract lengths that are head scratchers.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If I remember correctly, either the angels or Astros were offering 7 years as well. That is why Hendry bumped it up by a year. But again, none of us KNOWS what happened.
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That is true. I just remember a lot of speculation revolved around most teams offering 5-6 years. We'll never know for sure though.
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The only reason Im fairly confident those offers were there was the fact that Hendry actually upped his offer from 7 years to 8 years. Even if you despise Hendry, you'd have to admit he would at least need SOME reason to do that.
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You make a reasonable point that none of us are really "in the know" when it comes to the behind the scenes dealings of a GM. However, I think the fact that there are many examples of JH offering too much for too long that trumps the argument. Fact is, JH frequently gives to much and too many and it has hurt the team's financial flexibility.
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What I don't understand about all of this is why Coldneck isn't the Cubs GM. He obviously operates at a higher mental capacity compared to Hendry.
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Really! You don't think I am qualified to critique the GMs job performance? That's what fans do. You don't have to agree with it. Just don't be all douchey in the process.
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No, you're not qualified to criticize anything. The proper role of a fan is to be happy when the team wins and sad when it loses but never, never think about why things happen.

Do you understand me, young man?

[BT]

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->You make a reasonable point that none of us are really "in the know" when it comes to the behind the scenes dealings of a GM. However, I think the fact that there are many examples of JH offering too much for too long that trumps the argument. Fact is, JH frequently gives to much and too many and it has hurt the team's financial flexibility.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm not sure what exact argument you are making here. Are you saying that Hendry has paid too much for free agents during his tenure? OK, I totally agree with that. However that is the nature of free agency. FA's are almost always paid too much. By every GM out there. Not just Hendry. Furthermore, when Hendry does NOT pay too much for a Free Agent, as was the case with Lilly, ARam, and ironically enough Marquis, he doesn't get any credit.

If you are arguing not that Hendry has made mistakes, but has signed free agents (regardless of how good or bad they are) to UNNECESSARILY large contracts, contracts that are bigger than they need to be because there is no competition, I will continue to tell you that you most likely have no clue what the competition was.

Those are 2 entirely separate arguments. In can be pretty well concluded that Bradley was a bad signing. It cannot in any way shape or form be concluded that it was an unnecessarily large contract due to a lack of other bidders, because we don't have any idea who the other bidders were, or what their offers consisted of.