DeRosa Traded to Indians

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=40718:date=May 28 2009, 06:53 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ May 28 2009, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->that's pretty much what most of us were saying at the time.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Except Ruby

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=40734:date=May 28 2009, 09:22 AM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40718:date=May 28 2009, 06:53 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 28 2009, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->that's pretty much what most of us were saying at the time.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Except Ruby
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Where is ruby, by the way?

[ColoradoCub]

Iowa?

Also...


<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->General manager John Mozeliak revealed Tuesday that his "gut feeling" gives Troy Glaus "probably less than a 50-50 chance" of playing at all in 2009 because of January shoulder surgery that was initially expected to sideline him for the first 4-6 weeks of the season. There's speculation that St. Louis could pursue Garrett Atkins or Mark DeRosa with fill-ins Joe Thurston and Brian Barden doing poorly.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=40717:date=May 28 2009, 07:47 AM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Hendry on the DeRosa trade:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->"I remember when we signed DeRosa [on Nov. 14, 2006] and there was more second-guessing about that than anything," Hendry said. "Mark's a terrific guy and he was a good player for us. But the thinking in the winter was that we already had five right-handed hitters penciled in that weren't going anywhere. And we were concerned with how [Kosuke] Fukudome was going to come back [as a left-handed power hitter]. ... If he hadn't come back well and we kept Mark, we were probably looking at seven out of eight right-handed hitters every day in the lineup. Then we would have that issue again."

DeRosa, who is being paid $5.5 million this season, hit .285 with 21 homers and 87 RBIs for the Cubs last season.

<b>"Nobody likes to lose a guy like [DeRosa]," said Hendry. "But there wasn't anywhere else to get left-handed, you know.</b> And over time, I think we will see that we got pretty good guys for him. So we mixed and matched some of the dollars that were made with [DeRosa] and other guys who are not here, and added the guys that we did."

One of the added guys was free-agent outfielder Milton Bradley. Hendry also dealt pitcher Jason Marquis and cash to Colorado in exchange for pitcher Luis Vizcaino, who subsequently was released. The Cubs agreed to pay $875,000 of Marquis' $9.875 million salary for 2009. He is 6-3 with a 4.45 ERA. The Cubs also declined to re-sign closer Kerry Wood, who signed with Cleveland.

"Some of the moves work out right away and some of them take a little time to work out," Hendry said. "And sometimes they don't work. It's just part of the gig."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Sounds like it really wasn't about money after all, but more about trying to appease Lou to get more left handed bats in the lineup.
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Do you think if it was about money, Hendry would come out and say it?

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=40737:date=May 28 2009, 10:02 AM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Iowa?

Also...


<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->General manager John Mozeliak revealed Tuesday that his "gut feeling" gives Troy Glaus "probably less than a 50-50 chance" of playing at all in 2009 because of January shoulder surgery that was initially expected to sideline him for the first 4-6 weeks of the season. There's speculation that St. Louis could pursue Garrett Atkins or Mark DeRosa with fill-ins Joe Thurston and Brian Barden doing poorly.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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Wouldn't that just be wonderful?

His avg/obp/slg have been rising pretty steadily lately. .266/.333/.446

Still not All-Star numbers, by any means, but much better than where he's been. I'd honestly like to trade for him. It won't happen because it will be like Hendry admitting that he fucked up, but he'd be the perfect piece to our puzzle right now.

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=40741:date=May 28 2009, 09:08 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 28 2009, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40737:date=May 28 2009, 10:02 AM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Iowa?

Also...


<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->General manager John Mozeliak revealed Tuesday that his "gut feeling" gives Troy Glaus "probably less than a 50-50 chance" of playing at all in 2009 because of January shoulder surgery that was initially expected to sideline him for the first 4-6 weeks of the season. There's speculation that St. Louis could pursue Garrett Atkins or Mark DeRosa with fill-ins Joe Thurston and Brian Barden doing poorly.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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Wouldn't that just be wonderful?

His avg/obp/slg have been rising pretty steadily lately. .266/.333/.446

Still not All-Star numbers, by any means, but much better than where he's been. I'd honestly like to trade for him. It won't happen because it will be like Hendry admitting that he fucked up, but he'd be the perfect piece to our puzzle right now.
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Not great numbers, but he'd be leading our team in RBI's with 32

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=40740:date=May 28 2009, 09:08 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 28 2009, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40717:date=May 28 2009, 07:47 AM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Hendry on the DeRosa trade:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->"I remember when we signed DeRosa [on Nov. 14, 2006] and there was more second-guessing about that than anything," Hendry said. "Mark's a terrific guy and he was a good player for us. But the thinking in the winter was that we already had five right-handed hitters penciled in that weren't going anywhere. And we were concerned with how [Kosuke] Fukudome was going to come back [as a left-handed power hitter]. ... If he hadn't come back well and we kept Mark, we were probably looking at seven out of eight right-handed hitters every day in the lineup. Then we would have that issue again."

DeRosa, who is being paid $5.5 million this season, hit .285 with 21 homers and 87 RBIs for the Cubs last season.

<b>"Nobody likes to lose a guy like [DeRosa]," said Hendry. "But there wasn't anywhere else to get left-handed, you know.</b> And over time, I think we will see that we got pretty good guys for him. So we mixed and matched some of the dollars that were made with [DeRosa] and other guys who are not here, and added the guys that we did."

One of the added guys was free-agent outfielder Milton Bradley. Hendry also dealt pitcher Jason Marquis and cash to Colorado in exchange for pitcher Luis Vizcaino, who subsequently was released. The Cubs agreed to pay $875,000 of Marquis' $9.875 million salary for 2009. He is 6-3 with a 4.45 ERA. The Cubs also declined to re-sign closer Kerry Wood, who signed with Cleveland.

"Some of the moves work out right away and some of them take a little time to work out," Hendry said. "And sometimes they don't work. It's just part of the gig."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Sounds like it really wasn't about money after all, but more about trying to appease Lou to get more left handed bats in the lineup.
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Do you think if it was about money, Hendry would come out and say it?
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Yes

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=40743:date=May 28 2009, 10:12 AM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40740:date=May 28 2009, 09:08 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 28 2009, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40717:date=May 28 2009, 07:47 AM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Hendry on the DeRosa trade:

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->"I remember when we signed DeRosa [on Nov. 14, 2006] and there was more second-guessing about that than anything," Hendry said. "Mark's a terrific guy and he was a good player for us. But the thinking in the winter was that we already had five right-handed hitters penciled in that weren't going anywhere. And we were concerned with how [Kosuke] Fukudome was going to come back [as a left-handed power hitter]. ... If he hadn't come back well and we kept Mark, we were probably looking at seven out of eight right-handed hitters every day in the lineup. Then we would have that issue again."

DeRosa, who is being paid $5.5 million this season, hit .285 with 21 homers and 87 RBIs for the Cubs last season.

<b>"Nobody likes to lose a guy like [DeRosa]," said Hendry. "But there wasn't anywhere else to get left-handed, you know.</b> And over time, I think we will see that we got pretty good guys for him. So we mixed and matched some of the dollars that were made with [DeRosa] and other guys who are not here, and added the guys that we did."

One of the added guys was free-agent outfielder Milton Bradley. Hendry also dealt pitcher Jason Marquis and cash to Colorado in exchange for pitcher Luis Vizcaino, who subsequently was released. The Cubs agreed to pay $875,000 of Marquis' $9.875 million salary for 2009. He is 6-3 with a 4.45 ERA. The Cubs also declined to re-sign closer Kerry Wood, who signed with Cleveland.

"Some of the moves work out right away and some of them take a little time to work out," Hendry said. "And sometimes they don't work. It's just part of the gig."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Sounds like it really wasn't about money after all, but more about trying to appease Lou to get more left handed bats in the lineup.
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Do you think if it was about money, Hendry would come out and say it?
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Yes
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Hmm. I really really really really really really really really really disagree.

[Butcher]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I just don't see how it could've been a money move -- especially when he signed Aaron Miles for nearly the same amount just hours after the trade.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=40746:date=May 28 2009, 10:20 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 28 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not to beat a dead horse, but I just don't see how it could've been a money move -- especially when he signed Aaron Miles for nearly the same amount just hours after the trade.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

because you are wrong?

Derosa is making 5.5 million in 2009. Miles is making 2.2 million in 2009.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=40746:date=May 28 2009, 10:20 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 28 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not to beat a dead horse, but I just don't see how it could've been a money move -- especially when he signed Aaron Miles for nearly the same amount just hours after the trade.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It wasn't. It was about playing time and getting more left handed. I think money and the ownership transfer was used as a diversion. We still spent (and threw away) plenty of money in the offseason on other players.

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=40748:date=May 28 2009, 09:29 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 28 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40746:date=May 28 2009, 10:20 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 28 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not to beat a dead horse, but I just don't see how it could've been a money move -- especially when he signed Aaron Miles for nearly the same amount just hours after the trade.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

because you are wrong?

Derosa is making 5.5 million in 2009. Miles is making 2.2 million in 2009.
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Maybe you should look at the quote from Hendry again. He doesn't say that money wasn't a factor, in fact, he alludes that it was, but he's still admitting that they identified moving DeRosa as the best way to get a more left handed lineup, and makes it sound like that was the primary motivation for the deal.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=40750:date=May 28 2009, 10:32 AM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40748:date=May 28 2009, 09:29 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 28 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40746:date=May 28 2009, 10:20 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 28 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not to beat a dead horse, but I just don't see how it could've been a money move -- especially when he signed Aaron Miles for nearly the same amount just hours after the trade.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

because you are wrong?

Derosa is making 5.5 million in 2009. Miles is making 2.2 million in 2009.
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Maybe you should look at the quote from Hendry again. He doesn't say that money wasn't a factor, in fact, he alludes that it was, but he's still admitting that they identified moving DeRosa as the best way to get a more left handed lineup, and makes it sound like that was the primary motivation for the deal.
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So which argument are you making? Are you saying it WAS about money, or are you saying, as Butch does, that it wasn't about money?

I am making 2 different points. One, Hendry is not going to come out and admit that the move was about money. The quote above is about as close to that as you will see a GM come, unless it's someone from a small market. So even if saving money was the primary reason for the deal, he is still going to make it sound like getting more lefthanded was the reason.

Two, despite what Butch said, trading DeRosa and signing Miles DID save them almost 3.5 million dollars.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=40749:date=May 28 2009, 10:31 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ May 28 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40746:date=May 28 2009, 10:20 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 28 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not to beat a dead horse, but I just don't see how it could've been a money move -- especially when he signed Aaron Miles for nearly the same amount just hours after the trade.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It wasn't. It was about playing time and getting more left handed. I think money and the ownership transfer was used as a diversion. We still spent (and threw away) plenty of money in the offseason on other players.
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Bingo.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=40755:date=May 28 2009, 10:52 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ May 28 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40750:date=May 28 2009, 10:32 AM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 28 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40748:date=May 28 2009, 09:29 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ May 28 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=40746:date=May 28 2009, 10:20 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 28 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not to beat a dead horse, but I just don't see how it could've been a money move -- especially when he signed Aaron Miles for nearly the same amount just hours after the trade.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

because you are wrong?

Derosa is making 5.5 million in 2009. Miles is making 2.2 million in 2009.
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Maybe you should look at the quote from Hendry again. He doesn't say that money wasn't a factor, in fact, he alludes that it was, but he's still admitting that they identified moving DeRosa as the best way to get a more left handed lineup, and makes it sound like that was the primary motivation for the deal.
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So which argument are you making? Are you saying it WAS about money, or are you saying, as Butch does, that it wasn't about money?

I am making 2 different points. One, Hendry is not going to come out and admit that the move was about money. The quote above is about as close to that as you will see a GM come, unless it's someone from a small market. So even if saving money was the primary reason for the deal, he is still going to make it sound like getting more lefthanded was the reason.

Two, despite what Butch said, trading DeRosa and signing Miles DID save them almost 3.5 million dollars.
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Unless you factor in Miles's second year, of course. A guy with Miles's skill set is a dime a dozen -- a player like Miles should be making league minimum. Bobby Scales does what Miles does -- but better. And yet, we're going to be paying him $5M over the next two seasons. If you're claiming some sort of fiscally responsible motivation, it's hard to look at the Miles signing and not shudder (not to mention the other money we've pissed away).