Big Papi

[Butcher]

Ortiz went 0-7 and left 11 men on base yesterday.

He's also gone 143 ABs without a home run (dating back to the 2008 postseason).

So...off the juice?

[kbwsb]

<!--quoteo(post=38105:date=May 15 2009, 11:37 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Ortiz went 0-7 and left 11 men on base yesterday.
He's also gone 143 ABs without a home run (dating back to the 2008 postseason).
So...off the juice?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To me there's never been a doubt. He went from a Jason DuBois-type guy with the Twins (who are notoriously excellent at evaluating players) to the best slugger in baseball, practically overnight, when he went to the Red Sox.

Manny probably said, "Hey, fellow countryman, lemme show you a little something that's always helped me..."

[veryzer]

there are possible users and probable users. ortiz is a probable.

[dvdastud]

He's never looked like one who is on the juice. His age might have just caught up to him.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=38116:date=May 15 2009, 12:57 PM:name=dvdastud)-->QUOTE (dvdastud @ May 15 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's never looked like one who is on the juice. His age might have just caught up to him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's only 33. You might expect a gradual dropoff starting around now, but he has fallen off a cliff.

[rok]

He's probably just too old and in poor shape to be that good anymore.

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=38118:date=May 15 2009, 12:01 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ May 15 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's probably just too old and in poor shape to be that good anymore.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

A la John Kruk

[biggz]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30753348/

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The five-time All-Star dressed slowly while facing his corner locker, then turned around and saw a swarm of reporters surrounding him before saying: “Sorry, guys. I don’t feel like talking today. Just put down, ‘Papi stinks.”’<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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[Fly]

I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.

The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)-->QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.

The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.

[Fly]

<!--quoteo(post=38123:date=May 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.

The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
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I think the two cases would be eerily similar if not for Ortiz's build being more conducive for a breakdown. Regardless, I'm now assuming everyone is using.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=38126:date=May 15 2009, 01:16 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)-->QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38123:date=May 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.

The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I think the two cases would be eerily similar if not for Ortiz's build being more conducive for a breakdown. Regardless, I'm now assuming everyone is using.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's also a guilty by association thing with Papi and Manny that Lee doesn't have.

[Fly]

<!--quoteo(post=38129:date=May 15 2009, 02:19 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38126:date=May 15 2009, 01:16 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38123:date=May 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.

The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I think the two cases would be eerily similar if not for Ortiz's build being more conducive for a breakdown. Regardless, I'm now assuming everyone is using.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's also a guilty by association thing with Papi and Manny that Lee doesn't have.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Knock on wood.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=38131:date=May 15 2009, 01:26 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)-->QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38129:date=May 15 2009, 02:19 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38126:date=May 15 2009, 01:16 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38123:date=May 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.

The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I think the two cases would be eerily similar if not for Ortiz's build being more conducive for a breakdown. Regardless, I'm now assuming everyone is using.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's also a guilty by association thing with Papi and Manny that Lee doesn't have.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Knock on wood.
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Actually...I take that back. Wasn't Neifi busted for PEDs?

[veryzer]

speaking of "knock on wood"....i now suspect kerry wood. remember how skinny he was last year?