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Big Papi - Butcher - 05-15-2009
Ortiz went 0-7 and left 11 men on base yesterday.
He's also gone 143 ABs without a home run (dating back to the 2008 postseason).
So...off the juice?
Big Papi - kbwsb - 05-15-2009
<!--quoteo(post=38105:date=May 15 2009, 11:37 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Ortiz went 0-7 and left 11 men on base yesterday.
He's also gone 143 ABs without a home run (dating back to the 2008 postseason).
So...off the juice?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To me there's never been a doubt. He went from a Jason DuBois-type guy with the Twins (who are notoriously excellent at evaluating players) to the best slugger in baseball, practically overnight, when he went to the Red Sox.
Manny probably said, "Hey, fellow countryman, lemme show you a little something that's always helped me..."
Big Papi - veryzer - 05-15-2009
there are possible users and probable users. ortiz is a probable.
Big Papi - dvdastud - 05-15-2009
He's never looked like one who is on the juice. His age might have just caught up to him.
Big Papi - Butcher - 05-15-2009
<!--quoteo(post=38116:date=May 15 2009, 12:57 PM:name=dvdastud)-->QUOTE (dvdastud @ May 15 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's never looked like one who is on the juice. His age might have just caught up to him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's only 33. You might expect a gradual dropoff starting around now, but he has fallen off a cliff.
Big Papi - rok - 05-15-2009
He's probably just too old and in poor shape to be that good anymore.
Big Papi - ColoradoCub - 05-15-2009
<!--quoteo(post=38118:date=May 15 2009, 12:01 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ May 15 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's probably just too old and in poor shape to be that good anymore.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A la John Kruk
Big Papi - biggz - 05-15-2009
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30753348/
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The five-time All-Star dressed slowly while facing his corner locker, then turned around and saw a swarm of reporters surrounding him before saying: “Sorry, guys. I don’t feel like talking today. Just put down, ‘Papi stinks.”’<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Big Papi - Fly - 05-15-2009
I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.
The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.
Big Papi - Butcher - 05-15-2009
<!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)-->QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.
The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
Big Papi - Fly - 05-15-2009
<!--quoteo(post=38123:date=May 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.
The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
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I think the two cases would be eerily similar if not for Ortiz's build being more conducive for a breakdown. Regardless, I'm now assuming everyone is using.
Big Papi - Butcher - 05-15-2009
<!--quoteo(post=38126:date=May 15 2009, 01:16 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)-->QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38123:date=May 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.
The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
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I think the two cases would be eerily similar if not for Ortiz's build being more conducive for a breakdown. Regardless, I'm now assuming everyone is using.
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There's also a guilty by association thing with Papi and Manny that Lee doesn't have.
Big Papi - Fly - 05-15-2009
<!--quoteo(post=38129:date=May 15 2009, 02:19 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38126:date=May 15 2009, 01:16 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38123:date=May 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.
The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
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I think the two cases would be eerily similar if not for Ortiz's build being more conducive for a breakdown. Regardless, I'm now assuming everyone is using.
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There's also a guilty by association thing with Papi and Manny that Lee doesn't have.
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Knock on wood.
Big Papi - Butcher - 05-15-2009
<!--quoteo(post=38131:date=May 15 2009, 01:26 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)-->QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38129:date=May 15 2009, 02:19 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38126:date=May 15 2009, 01:16 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38123:date=May 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38122:date=May 15 2009, 01:08 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think it's a combination of age and that wrist injury from last year more than a PED case, but you never know anymore.
The same sort of questions could be presented about Derrek Lee.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They sure could. Lee's 2005 looks a little suspicious to me.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the two cases would be eerily similar if not for Ortiz's build being more conducive for a breakdown. Regardless, I'm now assuming everyone is using.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's also a guilty by association thing with Papi and Manny that Lee doesn't have.
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Knock on wood.
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Actually...I take that back. Wasn't Neifi busted for PEDs?
Big Papi - veryzer - 05-15-2009
speaking of "knock on wood"....i now suspect kerry wood. remember how skinny he was last year?