05-07-2009, 01:33 PM
<!--quoteo(post=35776:date=May 5 2009, 04:04 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 5 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35769:date=May 5 2009, 03:52 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 5 2009, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35752:date=May 5 2009, 03:31 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 5 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35698:date=May 5 2009, 02:29 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 5 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35691:date=May 5 2009, 02:22 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 5 2009, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35688:date=May 5 2009, 02:20 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 5 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35679:date=May 5 2009, 02:13 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ May 5 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=35674:date=May 5 2009, 02:07 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 5 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->6 of those 10 guys won MVP's, while Colavito placed in the top 5 numerous times, and Strawberry finished 2nd once. I'd say they're slightly better than "decent or outright average," as a group.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
tom brunansky and troy glaus are on that list. maris was a three year wonder. strawberry was vastly overrated.
willie hernandez won an mvp. stew on that for a while.
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Brunansky and Glaus are/were very good players...definitely MUCH better than decent or average. And they're the two <i>worst</i> players of the 10 people on the list. The other 8 were all great stars.
Strawberry was not remotely overrated. He was an absolute superstar until he became a hard-core cocaine addict, mid-career.
Maris won 2 MVP awards, won rings with two different organizations, and broke the greatest record in sports. There have been worse careers.
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Aside from Bonds, the rest of those players weren't even the best players on their own team either, just sayin'.
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Which means absolutely zero. Lou Gehrig wasn't the best player on his team. Neither was Johnny Bench, Nolan Ryan, or Steve Carlton.
What was your point?
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My point is that they weren't the best players on their own team. In fact, some of those guys played on teams where they weren;t in the top 5 on their team. Very few of those listed were make or break type players,<b> they were good, nice role players, not much more.</b>
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Yessir, solid point. <b>Six</b> of the ten guys won MVP awards. Two of them are in the Hall of Fame. One of them is in the "greatest player of all-time" argument.
Yessir, role players.
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I can not wait for the day Adam Dunn is elected to the HOF, it'll be glorious.
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There is no doubt that he will get some votes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/assess...p;goalTotal=500
highlight (for tom)<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Based on Dunn's age, he should finish at 565 HR for his career. He has a 80.2 percent chance to reach 500 HR.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
565 home runs? I can see that garnering a HOF vote or two.
tom brunansky and troy glaus are on that list. maris was a three year wonder. strawberry was vastly overrated.
willie hernandez won an mvp. stew on that for a while.
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Brunansky and Glaus are/were very good players...definitely MUCH better than decent or average. And they're the two <i>worst</i> players of the 10 people on the list. The other 8 were all great stars.
Strawberry was not remotely overrated. He was an absolute superstar until he became a hard-core cocaine addict, mid-career.
Maris won 2 MVP awards, won rings with two different organizations, and broke the greatest record in sports. There have been worse careers.
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Aside from Bonds, the rest of those players weren't even the best players on their own team either, just sayin'.
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Which means absolutely zero. Lou Gehrig wasn't the best player on his team. Neither was Johnny Bench, Nolan Ryan, or Steve Carlton.
What was your point?
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My point is that they weren't the best players on their own team. In fact, some of those guys played on teams where they weren;t in the top 5 on their team. Very few of those listed were make or break type players,<b> they were good, nice role players, not much more.</b>
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Yessir, solid point. <b>Six</b> of the ten guys won MVP awards. Two of them are in the Hall of Fame. One of them is in the "greatest player of all-time" argument.
Yessir, role players.
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I can not wait for the day Adam Dunn is elected to the HOF, it'll be glorious.
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There is no doubt that he will get some votes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/assess...p;goalTotal=500
highlight (for tom)<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Based on Dunn's age, he should finish at 565 HR for his career. He has a 80.2 percent chance to reach 500 HR.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
565 home runs? I can see that garnering a HOF vote or two.
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