12-09-2008, 03:05 PM
If all it takes is DeRosa, Marshall, and Pie . . . everyone's gotta like that idea, right?
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Peavy Talk
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12-09-2008, 03:05 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2924:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2922:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2911:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2906:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i beieve that if you hit 40 plus home runs, you should be able to drive in more than 100 runs. dunns problem is that he hits a shitton of solo home runs and rarely if ever hits sacrifice flies or any other kind of hit for that matter.
and for the record, i said that rbi are more important than a lot of you give credit for. i'm not saying its the most important stat. run producers produce runs. doesn't matter what kind of team they play for.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Derrek Lee hit 46 homers in 2005 and had only 107 RBIs. Want to know why? He had fucking Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson hitting in front of him. If he had two guys that had OBP above .300 hitting in front of him, he would've had well over 120 RBI. Obviously, sluggers and great hitters and going to get their numbers. But their RBI totals are going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on who is hitting in front of them. It isn't really a difficult concept. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> And yet, you used this exact same instance to tell me that batting order does not matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> For total runs produced by a lineup, it doesn't. For individual RBI totals, it does (but that isn't what we were talking about). Nice try, though. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> so you really think that Neifi and Patterson would have scored the same way daily or someone else in the lineup would replace their non-scoring? If you increase the production of one player (Lee) you have to reduce the production else where in the lineup if you expect the exact same results to occur. More runs would be score with better people in front of Lee.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
12-09-2008, 03:05 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2929:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:04 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2926:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2921:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2919:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:55 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2911:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2906:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i beieve that if you hit 40 plus home runs, you should be able to drive in more than 100 runs. dunns problem is that he hits a shitton of solo home runs and rarely if ever hits sacrifice flies or any other kind of hit for that matter.
and for the record, i said that rbi are more important than a lot of you give credit for. i'm not saying its the most important stat. run producers produce runs. doesn't matter what kind of team they play for.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Derrek Lee hit 46 homers in 2005 and had only 107 RBIs. Want to know why? He had fucking Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson hitting in front of him. If he had two guys that had OBP above .300 hitting in front of him, he would've had well over 120 RBI. Obviously, sluggers and great hitters and going to get their numbers. But their RBI totals are going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on who is hitting in front of them. It isn't really a difficult concept. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> thank you butcher for belittling my intelligence. kid couldn't have done it any better. in 2001, sammy drove in 160 runs. do you remember that lineup? he drove in 102 more runs than his next closest teammate. obviously, rbi will fluctuate depending on the lineup, bit more times than not, run producers will produce runs, no matter what team he's on. thats a concept i can grasp. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sammy's 2001 season might've been the most prolific offensive season we will ever see in our lifetimes -- including anything Barry Bonds has done. I'm not sure it's fair to use that season as a measuring stick. And I'm sorry if I came off as a douche. I wasn't trying to belittle you, my friend. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> i just get frustrated that i can't be one of your wives. but mormons hate queers.... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> that was aa joke. i hope you didn't take it personally.
Wang.
12-09-2008, 03:07 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2932:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2929:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:04 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2926:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2921:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2919:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:55 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2911:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2906:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i beieve that if you hit 40 plus home runs, you should be able to drive in more than 100 runs. dunns problem is that he hits a shitton of solo home runs and rarely if ever hits sacrifice flies or any other kind of hit for that matter.
and for the record, i said that rbi are more important than a lot of you give credit for. i'm not saying its the most important stat. run producers produce runs. doesn't matter what kind of team they play for.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Derrek Lee hit 46 homers in 2005 and had only 107 RBIs. Want to know why? He had fucking Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson hitting in front of him. If he had two guys that had OBP above .300 hitting in front of him, he would've had well over 120 RBI. Obviously, sluggers and great hitters and going to get their numbers. But their RBI totals are going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on who is hitting in front of them. It isn't really a difficult concept. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> thank you butcher for belittling my intelligence. kid couldn't have done it any better. in 2001, sammy drove in 160 runs. do you remember that lineup? he drove in 102 more runs than his next closest teammate. obviously, rbi will fluctuate depending on the lineup, bit more times than not, run producers will produce runs, no matter what team he's on. thats a concept i can grasp. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sammy's 2001 season might've been the most prolific offensive season we will ever see in our lifetimes -- including anything Barry Bonds has done. I'm not sure it's fair to use that season as a measuring stick. And I'm sorry if I came off as a douche. I wasn't trying to belittle you, my friend. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> i just get frustrated that i can't be one of your wives. but mormons hate queers.... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> that was aa joke. i hope you didn't take it personally. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm fine, but that one felt a little more mean-spirited than usual.
12-09-2008, 03:08 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2931:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2924:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2922:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2911:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2906:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i beieve that if you hit 40 plus home runs, you should be able to drive in more than 100 runs. dunns problem is that he hits a shitton of solo home runs and rarely if ever hits sacrifice flies or any other kind of hit for that matter.
and for the record, i said that rbi are more important than a lot of you give credit for. i'm not saying its the most important stat. run producers produce runs. doesn't matter what kind of team they play for.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Derrek Lee hit 46 homers in 2005 and had only 107 RBIs. Want to know why? He had fucking Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson hitting in front of him. If he had two guys that had OBP above .300 hitting in front of him, he would've had well over 120 RBI. Obviously, sluggers and great hitters and going to get their numbers. But their RBI totals are going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on who is hitting in front of them. It isn't really a difficult concept. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> And yet, you used this exact same instance to tell me that batting order does not matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> For total runs produced by a lineup, it doesn't. For individual RBI totals, it does (but that isn't what we were talking about). Nice try, though. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> so you really think that Neifi and Patterson would have scored the same way daily or someone else in the lineup would replace their non-scoring? If you increase the production of one player (Lee) you have to reduce the production else where in the lineup if you expect the exact same results to occur. More runs would be score with better people in front of Lee. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I read that three times and I'm still unsure what the question is.
12-09-2008, 03:10 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2930:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If all it takes is DeRosa, Marshall, and Pie . . . everyone's gotta like that idea, right?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would think so.
12-09-2008, 03:11 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2930:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If all it takes is DeRosa, Marshall, and Pie . . . everyone's gotta like that idea, right?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not crazy about losing DeRosa, but I'd do it. 
12-09-2008, 03:15 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2940:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:11 PM:name=sleepyhead)-->QUOTE (sleepyhead @ Dec 9 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2930:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If all it takes is DeRosa, Marshall, and Pie . . . everyone's gotta like that idea, right?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not crazy about losing DeRosa, but I'd do it. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, I just hope all this Aurilia talk goes nowhere.
12-09-2008, 03:16 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2935:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:08 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2931:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2924:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2922:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2911:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2906:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i beieve that if you hit 40 plus home runs, you should be able to drive in more than 100 runs. dunns problem is that he hits a shitton of solo home runs and rarely if ever hits sacrifice flies or any other kind of hit for that matter.
and for the record, i said that rbi are more important than a lot of you give credit for. i'm not saying its the most important stat. run producers produce runs. doesn't matter what kind of team they play for.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Derrek Lee hit 46 homers in 2005 and had only 107 RBIs. Want to know why? He had fucking Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson hitting in front of him. If he had two guys that had OBP above .300 hitting in front of him, he would've had well over 120 RBI. Obviously, sluggers and great hitters and going to get their numbers. But their RBI totals are going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on who is hitting in front of them. It isn't really a difficult concept. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> And yet, you used this exact same instance to tell me that batting order does not matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> For total runs produced by a lineup, it doesn't. For individual RBI totals, it does (but that isn't what we were talking about). Nice try, though. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> so you really think that Neifi and Patterson would have scored the same way daily or someone else in the lineup would replace their non-scoring? If you increase the production of one player (Lee) you have to reduce the production else where in the lineup if you expect the exact same results to occur. More runs would be score with better people in front of Lee. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I read that three times and I'm still unsure what the question is. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> A = Batter 1 B = Batter 2 C = Batter 3 D = Batter 4 [A,B,C,D] = X runs If you increase the production of any within [A,B,C,D] you would have to decrease the others within to system to maintain X amount of runs. If you don't decrease the others than X increases.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
12-09-2008, 03:18 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2944:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:16 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2935:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:08 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2931:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2924:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2922:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2911:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2906:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i beieve that if you hit 40 plus home runs, you should be able to drive in more than 100 runs. dunns problem is that he hits a shitton of solo home runs and rarely if ever hits sacrifice flies or any other kind of hit for that matter.
and for the record, i said that rbi are more important than a lot of you give credit for. i'm not saying its the most important stat. run producers produce runs. doesn't matter what kind of team they play for.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Derrek Lee hit 46 homers in 2005 and had only 107 RBIs. Want to know why? He had fucking Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson hitting in front of him. If he had two guys that had OBP above .300 hitting in front of him, he would've had well over 120 RBI. Obviously, sluggers and great hitters and going to get their numbers. But their RBI totals are going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on who is hitting in front of them. It isn't really a difficult concept. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> And yet, you used this exact same instance to tell me that batting order does not matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> For total runs produced by a lineup, it doesn't. For individual RBI totals, it does (but that isn't what we were talking about). Nice try, though. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> so you really think that Neifi and Patterson would have scored the same way daily or someone else in the lineup would replace their non-scoring? If you increase the production of one player (Lee) you have to reduce the production else where in the lineup if you expect the exact same results to occur. More runs would be score with better people in front of Lee. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I read that three times and I'm still unsure what the question is. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> A = Batter 1 B = Batter 2 C = Batter 3 D = Batter 4 [A,B,C,D] = X runs If you increase the production of any within [A,B,C,D] you would have to decrease the others within to system to maintain X amount of runs. If you don't decrease the others than X increases. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> If [A,B,C,D] = X, doesn't [D, A, B, C] = X?
12-09-2008, 03:19 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2947:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:18 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If [A,B,C,D] = X, doesn't [D, A, B, C] = X?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
then [A,C,D,C] = XcubsX
12-09-2008, 03:19 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2947:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:18 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2944:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:16 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2935:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:08 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2931:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2924:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2922:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2911:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2906:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i beieve that if you hit 40 plus home runs, you should be able to drive in more than 100 runs. dunns problem is that he hits a shitton of solo home runs and rarely if ever hits sacrifice flies or any other kind of hit for that matter.
and for the record, i said that rbi are more important than a lot of you give credit for. i'm not saying its the most important stat. run producers produce runs. doesn't matter what kind of team they play for.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Derrek Lee hit 46 homers in 2005 and had only 107 RBIs. Want to know why? He had fucking Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson hitting in front of him. If he had two guys that had OBP above .300 hitting in front of him, he would've had well over 120 RBI. Obviously, sluggers and great hitters and going to get their numbers. But their RBI totals are going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on who is hitting in front of them. It isn't really a difficult concept. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> And yet, you used this exact same instance to tell me that batting order does not matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> For total runs produced by a lineup, it doesn't. For individual RBI totals, it does (but that isn't what we were talking about). Nice try, though. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> so you really think that Neifi and Patterson would have scored the same way daily or someone else in the lineup would replace their non-scoring? If you increase the production of one player (Lee) you have to reduce the production else where in the lineup if you expect the exact same results to occur. More runs would be score with better people in front of Lee. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I read that three times and I'm still unsure what the question is. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> A = Batter 1 B = Batter 2 C = Batter 3 D = Batter 4 [A,B,C,D] = X runs If you increase the production of any within [A,B,C,D] you would have to decrease the others within to system to maintain X amount of runs. If you don't decrease the others than X increases. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> If [A,B,C,D] = X, doesn't [D, A, B, C] = X? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--fonto:Arial Black--><!--/fonto--><b><!--sizeo:7--><!--/sizeo-->X?<!--sizec--> <!--/sizec--> </b><!--fontc--><!--/fontc-->
12-09-2008, 03:27 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2947:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:18 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2944:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:16 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2935:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:08 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2931:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2924:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2922:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 9 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2911:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2906:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 9 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->i beieve that if you hit 40 plus home runs, you should be able to drive in more than 100 runs. dunns problem is that he hits a shitton of solo home runs and rarely if ever hits sacrifice flies or any other kind of hit for that matter.
and for the record, i said that rbi are more important than a lot of you give credit for. i'm not saying its the most important stat. run producers produce runs. doesn't matter what kind of team they play for.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Derrek Lee hit 46 homers in 2005 and had only 107 RBIs. Want to know why? He had fucking Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson hitting in front of him. If he had two guys that had OBP above .300 hitting in front of him, he would've had well over 120 RBI. Obviously, sluggers and great hitters and going to get their numbers. But their RBI totals are going to fluctuate quite a bit depending on who is hitting in front of them. It isn't really a difficult concept. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> And yet, you used this exact same instance to tell me that batting order does not matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> For total runs produced by a lineup, it doesn't. For individual RBI totals, it does (but that isn't what we were talking about). Nice try, though. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> so you really think that Neifi and Patterson would have scored the same way daily or someone else in the lineup would replace their non-scoring? If you increase the production of one player (Lee) you have to reduce the production else where in the lineup if you expect the exact same results to occur. More runs would be score with better people in front of Lee. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I read that three times and I'm still unsure what the question is. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> A = Batter 1 B = Batter 2 C = Batter 3 D = Batter 4 [A,B,C,D] = X runs If you increase the production of any within [A,B,C,D] you would have to decrease the others within to system to maintain X amount of runs. If you don't decrease the others than X increases. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> If [A,B,C,D] = X, doesn't [D, A, B, C] = X? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, essentially. If you increase A, you have to decrease at least one of the others to maintain X. So the key is just better players.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
12-09-2008, 03:32 PM
<!--quoteo(post=2949:date=Dec 9 2008, 01:19 PM:name=ColoradoCub)-->QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Dec 9 2008, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=2947:date=Dec 9 2008, 12:18 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 9 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If [A,B,C,D] = X, doesn't [D, A, B, C] = X?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
then [A,C,D,C] = XcubsX <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not until you factor in the coefficient of drag queen. |
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