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<!--quoteo(post=17386:date=Feb 11 2009, 02:41 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Feb 11 2009, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17378:date=Feb 11 2009, 03:06 PM:name=Gad)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gad @ Feb 11 2009, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dunn is getting 2/20. Pretty amazing given Abreu only got 1/5.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is it possible that Abreu has something in his medical jacket?
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Like a stethoscope?
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Is it possible that Abreu has something in his medical jacket?
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Like a stethoscope?
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Or...evidence that he ate a live fetus.
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<!--quoteo(post=17383:date=Feb 11 2009, 02:29 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You could certainly make an argument that 2/20 for Dunn is a better deal than 3/30 for Bradley. Dunn is good for 160 games a season. Who knows what we'll get from Bradley.
If Bradley plays 140 or more games, there's no question that Bradley is the better player. But we'll be incredibly lucky if we get even 120 games from Bradley.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If we only get 120 a year out of him it will only be a 2/18 contract. The 3rd year is 12 million and he only gets it if he stays healthy.
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<!--quoteo(post=17378:date=Feb 11 2009, 03:06 PM:name=Gad)-->QUOTE (Gad @ Feb 11 2009, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dunn is getting 2/20. Pretty amazing given Abreu only got 1/5.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's a better hitter, a better fielder, and is 6-7 years younger.
Those things usually translate to bigger contracts.
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<!--quoteo(post=17391:date=Feb 11 2009, 03:45 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Feb 11 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17383:date=Feb 11 2009, 02:29 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You could certainly make an argument that 2/20 for Dunn is a better deal than 3/30 for Bradley. Dunn is good for 160 games a season. Who knows what we'll get from Bradley.
If Bradley plays 140 or more games, there's no question that Bradley is the better player. But we'll be incredibly lucky if we get even 120 games from Bradley.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If we only get 120 a year out of him it will only be a 2/18 contract. The 3rd year is 12 million and he only gets it if he stays healthy.
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Is 120 the number? I knew there's a provision in his contract for health, but I didn't know what the number is...
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He's a better hitter, <b>a better fielder</b>, and is 6-7 years younger.
Those things usually translate to bigger contracts.
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No he's not.
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He's a better hitter, <b>a better fielder</b>, and is 6-7 years younger.
Those things usually translate to bigger contracts.
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No he's not.
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Also, he's 5 and 1/2 years younger, not "6-7" (not that that's a big deal).
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Even if you argue Dunn is better than Abreu, which is far from a sure thing IMO, but is he twice the player Abreu is?
The Nationals overpaid because they wanted to sign someone of impact. Apparently this offer has been on the table for quite some time but Dunn held out because he preferred playing for a contender.
The sad part of all this for me is that Boras is currently en route to Ned Coletti's office with a giant bottle of Astroglide.. He's gonna work Ned over like a prison bitch.
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<!--quoteo(post=17402:date=Feb 11 2009, 04:25 PM:name=Gad)-->QUOTE (Gad @ Feb 11 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Even if you argue Dunn is better than Abreu, which is far from a sure thing IMO, but is he twice the player Abreu is?
The Nationals overpaid because they wanted to sign someone of impact. Apparently this offer has been on the table for quite some time but Dunn held out because he preferred playing for a contender.
The sad part of all this for me is that Boras is currently en route to Ned Coletti's office with a giant bottle of Astroglide.. He's gonna work Ned over like a prison bitch.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope he opens Ned's hole big enough to drive an Oldsmobile through it.
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If Bradley plays 140 or more games, there's no question that Bradley is the better player. But we'll be incredibly lucky if we get even 120 games from Bradley.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If we only get 120 a year out of him it will only be a 2/18 contract. The 3rd year is 12 million and he only gets it if he stays healthy.
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Is 120 the number? I knew there's a provision in his contract for health, but I didn't know what the number is...
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I thought I remembered reading that the option kicked in if Bradley spent less than 75 days on the DL this year.
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Also about Abreu, he only hit 12 homers in 604 at bats away from Yankee Stadium the last 2 years, where it's just 314 down the right field line. He's a rock solid hitter that gets on base a lot, but I'd have been hesitant to give him very much money as well.
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Abreu's glovework
...he's not a solid defensive right fielder. Over the last three seasons, his average Ultimate Zone Rating was minus-12, which is hardly solid. Last year alone it was minus-26, which is simply dreadful. Maybe that number was anomalous. But probably not. <b>He's probably just a really, really bad outfielder at this point in his career.</b> Which is mostly why nobody wanted to pay him anything like the $16 million he made last year.
I do think he could be a pretty solid deal at $5 million, depending on how often the Angels are able to slot him as their DH. But $5 million at this point in Abreu's career is not obviously a great bargain for the Angels.
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...he's not a solid defensive right fielder. Over the last three seasons, his average Ultimate Zone Rating was minus-12, which is hardly solid. Last year alone it was minus-26, which is simply dreadful. Maybe that number was anomalous. But probably not. <b>He's probably just a really, really bad outfielder at this point in his career.</b> Which is mostly why nobody wanted to pay him anything like the $16 million he made last year.
I do think he could be a pretty solid deal at $5 million, depending on how often the Angels are able to slot him as their DH. But $5 million at this point in Abreu's career is not obviously a great bargain for the Angels.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I speak to a Yankees fan(who watches all their games) daily that continues to tell me that Abreu's not nearly as bad out there as people make him out to be. I'm not even saying Abreu's good, but Dunn is the worst starting outfielder defensively around.
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I love you Clappie, but I'm sure you know what that last post sounded like:
"Phan's sister, who went to school near Cincinnati, knew a friend of a friend's cousin who watches the Reds, and she says that Dunn is actually a pretty good outfielder, not nearly as bad as everybody says. In fact those stat guys, and the guys who are paid to watch every single play of every game, and then <i>re-watch</i> it it in slow-motion, so as to evaluate fielding...those guys are clueless and cannot be trusted. What the hell do <i>they</i> know?
Instead, I'd go with the opinion of my friend-of-a-friend's cousin who's a fan, and caught quite a few Red's games last year at a bar."
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Kabes -- Dunn's fielding is beyond brutal. I love what he brings on offense, but he is a train wreck on the field. In one game against the Cubs, I recall seeing him misplay two relatively easy flies that were nearly right to him -- in consecutive ABs. He is slower than hell, he doesn't get a good read on the ball, he takes terrible routes, and his arm is average, at best. He's Alf without the athletic ability to make up for his stupidity.
I'll admit that I haven't seen much of Abreu on the field the last couple of years, but he would have to be absolutely terrible to be worse than Dunn.
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