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Rizzo might believe that Nats will resign Harpur in offseason
And the tooth fairy?
Harper is a free agent. Rizzo will have the same shot at signing him as 29 other GMs. It's not like he'll punish the Nats for renting him to a contender.
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I don't necessarily agree with this. I think a team is more likely to keep a player than to bring them back - although the extent of the difference is obviously unclear.
For example, I think Lester has said that he intended to stay with the Red Sox and couldn't imagine going anywhere else until he was traded to Oakland and became more comfortable with the idea.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena. ![[Image: ITgoyeg.png]](http://i.imgur.com/ITgoyeg.png)
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Quote:They talk about this all the time on Effectively Wild. I'm fairly certain it makes little difference to the player. If anything, I'd think, like straw suggested, I think the player would appreciate the opportunity the team gave him at a championship (but even then, the effect is likely minimal).
I think the real choice for the Nats was weighing the potential prospect pick-up for a rental - the loss of goodwill in the fan base for leaving the relationship with Harper first vs. the compensation pick + looking like the stood by their guy.
According to a recent EW episode with a former member of the Rays & Mets FO, "how it looks to fans" is a MAJOR consideration in any potential trade. The casual fan will stick by their players and decry even wily moves. Take, for instance, the Mountain Goats' frontman and Cubs fan John Darnielle's bemoaning of the Samardzija trade.
If only there was a recent example of a team that tore it down to the studs and won a WS a few short years later, in order to gauge how fans react to a rebuild (that works).
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Rizzo might believe that Nats will resign Harpur in offseason
And the tooth fairy?
Harper is a free agent. Rizzo will have the same shot at signing him as 29 other GMs. It's not like he'll punish the Nats for renting him to a contender.
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I don't necessarily agree with this. I think a team is more likely to keep a player than to bring them back - although the extent of the difference is obviously unclear.
For example, I think Lester has said that he intended to stay with the Red Sox and couldn't imagine going anywhere else until he was traded to Oakland and became more comfortable with the idea.
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I think there's zero chance that Harper gives the Nats any discount or that they're prepared to meet his market value. Harper is not a Nat next year. NFW. The fact that the Nats aren't going to be appreciably better is a part of why he won't be.
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I think Harper's down year creates a possibility that Harper could stay with the Nats on a shorter-term deal or a deal with opt-outs.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena.
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Eh...I don't see it. Not saying he's a Cub, I just think he'll still get a massive deal to play somewhere he thinks will have a better chance to win. I don't think the down year is going to have much effect on how much he ends up getting this offseason.
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I'm not saying it will happen. I just think the chances that Harper is a National in 2019 have increased from maybe 5% at the start of the season to 20% or something like that.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena.
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Harper could still pass through waivers and be dealt before Aug 31. Not saying it will happen, but there is still a chance.
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Nobody's renting Harper top not play in the post-season unless they KNOW an extension is a sealed deal.
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Quote:Harper could still pass through waivers and be dealt before Aug 31. Not saying it will happen, but there is still a chance.
There's no chance he clears waivers. Some contending team would put a waiver claim in on him. There's maybe a non-zero chance that he gets traded to whoever makes the claim, but it's not much higher than zero. If they were going to trade him, they'd have moved him for the best offer, not for just one team's offer.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena.
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It's easy for me to say, but if I'm a Nats fan, I'd have been sad if he was traded...and pissed that he wasn't.
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Harper could still pass through waivers and be dealt before Aug 31. Not saying it will happen, but there is still a chance.
There's no chance he clears waivers. Some contending team would put a waiver claim in on him. There's maybe a non-zero chance that he gets traded to whoever makes the claim, but it's not much higher than zero. If they were going to trade him, they'd have moved him for the best offer, not for just one team's offer.</blockquote>
He is making $21.6mm, so not every contending team can afford to claim him. Again, never said he will be traded, just that it is still possible. Verlander was a waiver trade last year as well, so I'm not dismissing anything.
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"Some contending team would put a waiver claim in on him."
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They talk about this all the time on Effectively Wild. I'm fairly certain it makes little difference to the player. If anything, I'd think, like straw suggested, I think the player would appreciate the opportunity the team gave him at a championship (but even then, the effect is likely minimal).
I think the real choice for the Nats was weighing the potential prospect pick-up for a rental - the loss of goodwill in the fan base for leaving the relationship with Harper first vs. the compensation pick + looking like the stood by their guy.
According to a recent EW episode with a former member of the Rays & Mets FO, "how it looks to fans" is a MAJOR consideration in any potential trade. The casual fan will stick by their players and decry even wily moves. Take, for instance, the Mountain Goats' frontman and Cubs fan John Darnielle's bemoaning of the Samardzija trade.
If only there was a recent example of a team that tore it down to the studs and won a WS a few short years later, in order to gauge how fans react to a rebuild (that works).
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Well, yeah. But, as we know, not all fans were on board with tearing the Cubs down. And the Nats are not in that sort of position anyway, as the Nats still have Rendon, Scherzer, Strasberg, Turner, and now Soto.
The bigger point about considering the fans when trading Harper is on a personal level. If (when) Harper signs elsewhere, he'll have spurned the Nats. They trade him, the Nats become the dumpee. That seems to be a real consideration to FO people.
One dick can poke an eye out. A hundred dicks can move mountains.
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They talk about this all the time on Effectively Wild. I'm fairly certain it makes little difference to the player. If anything, I'd think, like straw suggested, I think the player would appreciate the opportunity the team gave him at a championship (but even then, the effect is likely minimal).
I think the real choice for the Nats was weighing the potential prospect pick-up for a rental - the loss of goodwill in the fan base for leaving the relationship with Harper first vs. the compensation pick + looking like the stood by their guy.
According to a recent EW episode with a former member of the Rays & Mets FO, "how it looks to fans" is a MAJOR consideration in any potential trade. The casual fan will stick by their players and decry even wily moves. Take, for instance, the Mountain Goats' frontman and Cubs fan John Darnielle's bemoaning of the Samardzija trade.
If only there was a recent example of a team that tore it down to the studs and won a WS a few short years later, in order to gauge how fans react to a rebuild (that works).
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Well, yeah. But, as we know, not all fans were on board with tearing the Cubs down. And the Nats are not in that sort of position anyway, as the Nats still have Rendon, Scherzer, Strasberg, Turner, and now Soto.
The bigger point about considering the fans when trading Harper is on a personal level. If (when) Harper signs elsewhere, he'll have spurned the Nats. They trade him, the Nats become the dumpee. That seems to be a real consideration to FO people.
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Then they're pandering to idiots. He's gone in two months. Go get a haul.
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Idiots spend $$$. Plus, the "haul" would almost certainly be less than what Machado got, which wasn't knocking anyone's socks off. Plus--and this is the most important point--they are currently only 5.5 games out (6.5 out at the trade deadline) of first behind two young teams who are more likely to fade down the stretch. Remember the White Flag Trade from 21 years ago? Trading Harper would leave a similar legacy. Lots of bad PR juju.
All in all, if I had to pick a team today to win the East, I'd truly go with the Nationals.
One dick can poke an eye out. A hundred dicks can move mountains.
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