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[Ace]

If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.

[funkster]

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I was thinking the same. Manny signing for 2million dollars...never thought I'd see the day.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->@jaysonst: More scary Vernon Wells numbers: Lifetime in Anaheim: .226/.267/.340 - with 3 homers in 159 AB.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm trying so hard to understand this deal from the Angels' perspective. Napoli has 40-homer power too. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him hit 35+ with 500+ at bats at DH.

[Destined]

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I'm trying so hard to understand this deal from the Angels' perspective. Napoli has 40-homer power too. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him hit 35+ with 500+ at bats at DH.
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As someone who is a luke warm Angel fan, this blows.

[kbwsb]

<!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=127799:date=Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.
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Quite the steal for Toronto, especially with a return like Napoli and Rivera. They're going to be hitting moonshoots all summer long, to go with Bautista and company.

[1060Ivy]

Do you think there's a ice cube's chance in hell that Bautista can come close to the 54 homers and 124 RBIs that he put up last year?

[willis]

And the Jays flip Napoli for Francisco? Interesting.


http://mlb-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssport...297882/27245763

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

<!--quoteo(post=127800:date=Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127799:date=Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.
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Quite the steal for Toronto, especially with a return like Napoli and Rivera. They're going to be hitting moonshoots all summer long, to go with Bautista and company.
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Money aside, LA made out like bandits.

With the money considered, eh. Fair trade. Debilitating fourth OF and a power-hitting, low-average C who would probably play 1B and DH (thus reducing his value even more) for Wells. I think folks are getting too hung up on the money here.

[bz]

<!--quoteo(post=127916:date=Jan 25 2011, 04:46 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)-->QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Jan 25 2011, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127800:date=Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127799:date=Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.
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Quite the steal for Toronto, especially with a return like Napoli and Rivera. They're going to be hitting moonshoots all summer long, to go with Bautista and company.
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Money aside, LA made out like bandits.

With the money considered, eh. Fair trade. Debilitating fourth OF and a power-hitting, low-average C who would probably play 1B and DH (thus reducing his value even more) for Wells. I think folks are getting too hung up on the money here.
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That's what my first reaction was.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=127923:date=Jan 25 2011, 05:06 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Jan 25 2011, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127916:date=Jan 25 2011, 04:46 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Jan 25 2011, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127800:date=Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127799:date=Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quite the steal for Toronto, especially with a return like Napoli and Rivera. They're going to be hitting moonshoots all summer long, to go with Bautista and company.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Money aside, LA made out like bandits.

With the money considered, eh. Fair trade. Debilitating fourth OF and a power-hitting, low-average C who would probably play 1B and DH (thus reducing his value even more) for Wells. I think folks are getting too hung up on the money here.
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That's what my first reaction was.
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My guess is that Toronto is thrilled just to be out from under that contract. If they got any talent in return, it's a bonus.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=127916:date=Jan 25 2011, 05:46 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)-->QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Jan 25 2011, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127800:date=Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127799:date=Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quite the steal for Toronto, especially with a return like Napoli and Rivera. They're going to be hitting moonshoots all summer long, to go with Bautista and company.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Money aside, LA made out like bandits.

With the money considered, eh. Fair trade. Debilitating fourth OF and a power-hitting, low-average C who would probably play 1B and DH (thus reducing his value even more) for Wells. I think folks are getting too hung up on the money here.
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That's kind of a "assassination aside, the play was really quite good" point, no? Setting aside the money aspect of the deal pretty much sets aside 95% of the trade.

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

<!--quoteo(post=127938:date=Jan 25 2011, 07:52 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 25 2011, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127916:date=Jan 25 2011, 05:46 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Jan 25 2011, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127800:date=Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127799:date=Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quite the steal for Toronto, especially with a return like Napoli and Rivera. They're going to be hitting moonshoots all summer long, to go with Bautista and company.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Money aside, LA made out like bandits.

With the money considered, eh. Fair trade. Debilitating fourth OF and a power-hitting, low-average C who would probably play 1B and DH (thus reducing his value even more) for Wells. I think folks are getting too hung up on the money here.
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That's kind of a "assassination aside, the play was really quite good" point, no? Setting aside the money aspect of the deal pretty much sets aside 95% of the trade.
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Maybe for Toronto, but if the Angels figure they can cover the money, I don't see how the next four years of Wells is demonstrably worse than Crawford or Beltre's deals, which have not been met with as much criticism.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=127940:date=Jan 25 2011, 08:17 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)-->QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Jan 25 2011, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127938:date=Jan 25 2011, 07:52 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 25 2011, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127916:date=Jan 25 2011, 05:46 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Jan 25 2011, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127800:date=Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127799:date=Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quite the steal for Toronto, especially with a return like Napoli and Rivera. They're going to be hitting moonshoots all summer long, to go with Bautista and company.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Money aside, LA made out like bandits.

With the money considered, eh. Fair trade. Debilitating fourth OF and a power-hitting, low-average C who would probably play 1B and DH (thus reducing his value even more) for Wells. I think folks are getting too hung up on the money here.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

That's kind of a "assassination aside, the play was really quite good" point, no? Setting aside the money aspect of the deal pretty much sets aside 95% of the trade.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe for Toronto, but if the Angels figure they can cover the money, I don't see how the next four years of Wells is demonstrably worse than Crawford or Beltre's deals, which have not been met with as much criticism.
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Wells kind of sucks. He'll be 34-37 in the last 4 years of his deal as opposed to Crawford being 27-33. Last year was an up year for Wells offensively and he was merely a little above average. And he's a shitty outfielder now, ranking near the bottom in most all the defensive metrics. Take a look at Wells last four years and you'll see two very shitty and two a little above average. This was a terrible trade for LAA. Reagins should be fired immediately and they should hire Jim Hendry to replace him.

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

<!--quoteo(post=127942:date=Jan 25 2011, 08:24 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jan 25 2011, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127940:date=Jan 25 2011, 08:17 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Jan 25 2011, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127938:date=Jan 25 2011, 07:52 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 25 2011, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127916:date=Jan 25 2011, 05:46 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Jan 25 2011, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127800:date=Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jan 25 2011, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127799:date=Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 24 2011, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=127500:date=Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jan 21 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Vernon Wells' contract can be moved - without any money being eaten, mind you - are there really players that are untradeable? Wells is set to make $23, $21, $21 and $21 million the next four years. That is mind-boggling.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow.
The first thing I thought of was: Alf <i>could</i> be traded! It's possible.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quite the steal for Toronto, especially with a return like Napoli and Rivera. They're going to be hitting moonshoots all summer long, to go with Bautista and company.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Money aside, LA made out like bandits.

With the money considered, eh. Fair trade. Debilitating fourth OF and a power-hitting, low-average C who would probably play 1B and DH (thus reducing his value even more) for Wells. I think folks are getting too hung up on the money here.
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That's kind of a "assassination aside, the play was really quite good" point, no? Setting aside the money aspect of the deal pretty much sets aside 95% of the trade.
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Maybe for Toronto, but if the Angels figure they can cover the money, I don't see how the next four years of Wells is demonstrably worse than Crawford or Beltre's deals, which have not been met with as much criticism.
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Wells kind of sucks. He'll be 34-37 in the last 4 years of his deal as opposed to Crawford being 27-33. Last year was an up year for Wells offensively and he was merely a little above average. And he's a shitty outfielder now, ranking near the bottom in most all the defensive metrics. Take a look at Wells last four years and you'll see two very shitty and two a little above average. This was a terrible trade for LAA. Reagins should be fired immediately and they should hire Jim Hendry to replace him.
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Wells will only be 32-35 in the upcoming years of the contract. Crawford signed for 7 years; we'll see what we're saying about that contract in three years. Yes, Wells has had a couple stinky years, so there is that risk. I can't lay claim to Wells's defense, and I've never really seen him play (I've little confidence in defensive metrics). Besides, I believe he'll be in LF instead of CF, so I assume that his glove will look a lot better in LA.

IF the deal cripples future Angels moves, then, yes, it was crappy. Otherwise, they gave up very little for a player who is better than either person they gave up. Does Wells deserve that money? In my personal view, no ball player comes close to earning that money, but Wells wouldn't even make the long list of those who could come close. (HE HAS had a couple sucky years recently.) But as long as MLB pays with monopoly money and fans support annual ticket price hikes, then, no, I don't see this as a bad move in the current climate.