MLB News & Notes (other than Cubs or Sox)

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=123971:date=Dec 20 2010, 09:41 AM:name=funkster)-->QUOTE (funkster @ Dec 20 2010, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123968:date=Dec 20 2010, 08:37 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 20 2010, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That last point by BT is what I am talking about, and I stand by my previous post. I never said that Garza was the better talent, or the better pitcher, or that he would accomplish more in his career, <b>but</b> right now I'd still have serious reservations about giving up the farm for a guy like Greinke. He isn't yet at the point in his career where he has completely put his past mental issues behind him either. And why did he resist a trade to a major market team? Just look at how the entire trade process has transpired, and review his 2010 game log, and then look at his career inconsistency and you will see my point a bit more.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do we know what teams were on his no trade list? Were they major market teams? That would be a very interesting piece of the story.
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This is pretty much how I understood it:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/grei...ers-tigers.html
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Zack Greinke can block trades to 15 teams and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports that the Yankees, Red Sox and Nationals are among them. The Tigers, Angels and Rangers, however, could acquire the right-hander without his permission.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Later, he claimed that he would have gone to the Yanks, but they didn't offer a good enough package. That seems like BS to me.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=123950:date=Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123947:date=Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wow. The Brewers gave up jack shit to get him. We could have easily beat that deal. And I'd much rather have Greinke than Garza (if we're still looking to make that deal).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't know about that - I think if the deal was for equivalent Cubs prospects (guys we know and have come to appreciate), we'd think it was a lot.
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From Crasnick:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kansas City's trade package for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt looks more like Mark Teixeira Lite. Moore got a shortstop (Alcides Escobar) who posted a .288 on base percentage last season, and a center fielder (Lorenzo Cain) with some ability, but no amazing, off-the-charts tool. He landed a young pitcher (Jake Odorizzi) who has lots of promise but spent 2010 in the Class A Midwest League, and another pitcher (former first-round draft pick Jeremy Jeffress) who served two suspensions for marijuana use in the minor leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unless Crasnick's analysis is wrong, it doesn't seem like the Brewers gave up all that much.

[willis]

They didn't. And they are going for it. Have the hitting, never had the solid enough starting pitching, now they have pretty good if not very good rotation. They aren't sitting on their hands and are making every move they can to keep up with the cards and reds.

Greinke has been pitching for a shitball team and still was a pretty good pitcher. It will be interesting to see what he can do not only in the NL, but with a team that by some could be favored to win the division. Instead of heading into every year projected in the dog crapper.

They were probably asking for too much from the cubs and yes I think a deal for Garza would require less. Let's hope that happens, which I doubt.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=123977:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:39 AM:name=willis)-->QUOTE (willis @ Dec 20 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->they have pretty good if not very good rotation<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They have a great rotation. Greinke/Gallardo/Marcum might end up being the best top of the rotation outside of Philly in the NL.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=123976:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123950:date=Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123947:date=Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wow. The Brewers gave up jack shit to get him. We could have easily beat that deal. And I'd much rather have Greinke than Garza (if we're still looking to make that deal).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't know about that - I think if the deal was for equivalent Cubs prospects (guys we know and have come to appreciate), we'd think it was a lot.
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From Crasnick:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kansas City's trade package for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt looks more like Mark Teixeira Lite. Moore got a shortstop (Alcides Escobar) who posted a .288 on base percentage last season, and a center fielder (Lorenzo Cain) with some ability, but no amazing, off-the-charts tool. He landed a young pitcher (Jake Odorizzi) who has lots of promise but spent 2010 in the Class A Midwest League, and another pitcher (former first-round draft pick Jeremy Jeffress) who served two suspensions for marijuana use in the minor leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unless Crasnick's analysis is wrong, it doesn't seem like the Brewers gave up all that much.
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It's not so much wrong, as everything he said is factual, but it's certainly slanted. I don't like Escobar much, but he was a top 10 prospect before last year, is only 23, and may have had some back luck BABIP-wise. He also can steal quite a few bases if he ever gets on base with any regularity.

Odorizzi did pitch in Class A, but he was outstanding there. It's like saying Hak-Ju Lee isn't a prospect because he did everything at the A level.

Jeffres is the real deal too. If he is done smoking pot, he could be a stud. But he's running out of time to prove that.

Regardless, it's not easy to get a starting CF, a starting SS (neither of which should embarass themselves, even if they don't become superstars), a top notch pitching prospect and a hugely talented (even if he is behaviorally stunted) pitcher, in any sort of deal. A comparable deal for the Cubs would start with McNutt and Lee, and 2 or 3 non-throw ins as well.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=123981:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:58 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 20 2010, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123976:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123950:date=Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123947:date=Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wow. The Brewers gave up jack shit to get him. We could have easily beat that deal. And I'd much rather have Greinke than Garza (if we're still looking to make that deal).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't know about that - I think if the deal was for equivalent Cubs prospects (guys we know and have come to appreciate), we'd think it was a lot.
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From Crasnick:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kansas City's trade package for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt looks more like Mark Teixeira Lite. Moore got a shortstop (Alcides Escobar) who posted a .288 on base percentage last season, and a center fielder (Lorenzo Cain) with some ability, but no amazing, off-the-charts tool. He landed a young pitcher (Jake Odorizzi) who has lots of promise but spent 2010 in the Class A Midwest League, and another pitcher (former first-round draft pick Jeremy Jeffress) who served two suspensions for marijuana use in the minor leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unless Crasnick's analysis is wrong, it doesn't seem like the Brewers gave up all that much.
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It's not so much wrong, as everything he said is factual, but it's certainly slanted. I don't like Escobar much, but he was a top 10 prospect before last year, is only 23, and may have had some back luck BABIP-wise. He also can steal quite a few bases if he ever gets on base with any regularity.

Odorizzi did pitch in Class A, but he was outstanding there. It's like saying Hak-Ju Lee isn't a prospect because he did everything at the A level.

Jeffres is the real deal too. If he is done smoking pot, he could be a stud. But he's running out of time to prove that.

Regardless, it's not easy to get a starting CF, a starting SS (neither of which should embarass themselves, even if they don't become superstars), a top notch pitching prospect and a hugely talented (even if he is behaviorally stunted) pitcher, in any sort of deal. A comparable deal for the Cubs would start with McNutt and Lee, and 2 or 3 non-throw ins as well.
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Have we fallen so in love with our prospects that we can't deal them for a 27-year-old Cy Young winner? Prospects are just prospects -- McNutt and Lee might not even see the majors for all we know. I know -- you can't empty the farm for every player or you won't have anyone left to deal...but are we going to pass on all of the Greinkes and Gonzalezes of the world because we're too eager to hang on to our beloved prospects?

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=123982:date=Dec 20 2010, 11:04 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123981:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:58 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 20 2010, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123976:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123950:date=Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123947:date=Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wow. The Brewers gave up jack shit to get him. We could have easily beat that deal. And I'd much rather have Greinke than Garza (if we're still looking to make that deal).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't know about that - I think if the deal was for equivalent Cubs prospects (guys we know and have come to appreciate), we'd think it was a lot.
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From Crasnick:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kansas City's trade package for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt looks more like Mark Teixeira Lite. Moore got a shortstop (Alcides Escobar) who posted a .288 on base percentage last season, and a center fielder (Lorenzo Cain) with some ability, but no amazing, off-the-charts tool. He landed a young pitcher (Jake Odorizzi) who has lots of promise but spent 2010 in the Class A Midwest League, and another pitcher (former first-round draft pick Jeremy Jeffress) who served two suspensions for marijuana use in the minor leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unless Crasnick's analysis is wrong, it doesn't seem like the Brewers gave up all that much.
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It's not so much wrong, as everything he said is factual, but it's certainly slanted. I don't like Escobar much, but he was a top 10 prospect before last year, is only 23, and may have had some back luck BABIP-wise. He also can steal quite a few bases if he ever gets on base with any regularity.

Odorizzi did pitch in Class A, but he was outstanding there. It's like saying Hak-Ju Lee isn't a prospect because he did everything at the A level.

Jeffres is the real deal too. If he is done smoking pot, he could be a stud. But he's running out of time to prove that.

Regardless, it's not easy to get a starting CF, a starting SS (neither of which should embarass themselves, even if they don't become superstars), a top notch pitching prospect and a hugely talented (even if he is behaviorally stunted) pitcher, in any sort of deal. A comparable deal for the Cubs would start with McNutt and Lee, and 2 or 3 non-throw ins as well.
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Have we fallen so in love with our prospects that we can't deal them for a 27-year-old Cy Young winner? Prospects are just prospects -- McNutt and Lee might not even see the majors for all we know. I know -- you can't empty the farm for every player or you won't have anyone left to deal...but are we going to pass on all of the Greinkes and Gonzalezes of the world because we're too eager to hang on to our beloved prospects?
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Again, this board was almost unanimous that we should trade Castro for Peavy.

Not every deal would look that bad in retrospect, but as much as I believe prospects are prospects until they prove their worth, I still think there is a limit to what you should give up. Giving up 4 great prospects for the honor of signing AGonz to a 160 million dollar deal sounds like a bad investment to me. Giving up a Cy Young's worth of prospects for a pitcher that has only pitched like a Cy Young once could be a bad investment. I could be convinced Grienke's worth it, and my guess is he will be better in the NL, but I can also be convinced that gutting our minor leagues for him would be a mistake.

[ColoradoCub]

<!--quoteo(post=123982:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:04 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123981:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:58 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 20 2010, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123976:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123950:date=Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123947:date=Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wow. The Brewers gave up jack shit to get him. We could have easily beat that deal. And I'd much rather have Greinke than Garza (if we're still looking to make that deal).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't know about that - I think if the deal was for equivalent Cubs prospects (guys we know and have come to appreciate), we'd think it was a lot.
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From Crasnick:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kansas City's trade package for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt looks more like Mark Teixeira Lite. Moore got a shortstop (Alcides Escobar) who posted a .288 on base percentage last season, and a center fielder (Lorenzo Cain) with some ability, but no amazing, off-the-charts tool. He landed a young pitcher (Jake Odorizzi) who has lots of promise but spent 2010 in the Class A Midwest League, and another pitcher (former first-round draft pick Jeremy Jeffress) who served two suspensions for marijuana use in the minor leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unless Crasnick's analysis is wrong, it doesn't seem like the Brewers gave up all that much.
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It's not so much wrong, as everything he said is factual, but it's certainly slanted. I don't like Escobar much, but he was a top 10 prospect before last year, is only 23, and may have had some back luck BABIP-wise. He also can steal quite a few bases if he ever gets on base with any regularity.

Odorizzi did pitch in Class A, but he was outstanding there. It's like saying Hak-Ju Lee isn't a prospect because he did everything at the A level.

Jeffres is the real deal too. If he is done smoking pot, he could be a stud. But he's running out of time to prove that.

Regardless, it's not easy to get a starting CF, a starting SS (neither of which should embarass themselves, even if they don't become superstars), a top notch pitching prospect and a hugely talented (even if he is behaviorally stunted) pitcher, in any sort of deal. A comparable deal for the Cubs would start with McNutt and Lee, and 2 or 3 non-throw ins as well.
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Have we fallen so in love with our prospects that we can't deal them for a 27-year-old Cy Young winner? Prospects are just prospects -- McNutt and Lee might not even see the majors for all we know. I know -- you can't empty the farm for every player or you won't have anyone left to deal...but are we going to pass on all of the Greinkes and Gonzalezes of the world because we're too eager to hang on to our beloved prospects?
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In the context of the future, it would have been a bad deal. Greinke would only be under team control through 2012, and it's not like we don't have other holes to fill. By the time Geinke hits free agency, I think we'll be in a much better position to contend, and perhaps we can go after him then. Its going to suck in the meantime, but I'd rather we develop the youngsters, fill from within, and then make a run in at some top notch talent in 2013 when we're ready. The Brewers are in a position now where they have to go all in... our time for that was two years ago.

[ColoradoCub]

Interestingly enough....

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kevin Goldstein:
Just staring at my #Brewers list (up tomorrow), trying to figure out if that's the worst No. 1 prospect I've seen.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Sounds like they've pretty much gutted their system.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=123985:date=Dec 20 2010, 11:19 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 20 2010, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123982:date=Dec 20 2010, 11:04 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123981:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:58 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 20 2010, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123976:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123950:date=Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123947:date=Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wow. The Brewers gave up jack shit to get him. We could have easily beat that deal. And I'd much rather have Greinke than Garza (if we're still looking to make that deal).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't know about that - I think if the deal was for equivalent Cubs prospects (guys we know and have come to appreciate), we'd think it was a lot.
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From Crasnick:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kansas City's trade package for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt looks more like Mark Teixeira Lite. Moore got a shortstop (Alcides Escobar) who posted a .288 on base percentage last season, and a center fielder (Lorenzo Cain) with some ability, but no amazing, off-the-charts tool. He landed a young pitcher (Jake Odorizzi) who has lots of promise but spent 2010 in the Class A Midwest League, and another pitcher (former first-round draft pick Jeremy Jeffress) who served two suspensions for marijuana use in the minor leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unless Crasnick's analysis is wrong, it doesn't seem like the Brewers gave up all that much.
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It's not so much wrong, as everything he said is factual, but it's certainly slanted. I don't like Escobar much, but he was a top 10 prospect before last year, is only 23, and may have had some back luck BABIP-wise. He also can steal quite a few bases if he ever gets on base with any regularity.

Odorizzi did pitch in Class A, but he was outstanding there. It's like saying Hak-Ju Lee isn't a prospect because he did everything at the A level.

Jeffres is the real deal too. If he is done smoking pot, he could be a stud. But he's running out of time to prove that.

Regardless, it's not easy to get a starting CF, a starting SS (neither of which should embarass themselves, even if they don't become superstars), a top notch pitching prospect and a hugely talented (even if he is behaviorally stunted) pitcher, in any sort of deal. A comparable deal for the Cubs would start with McNutt and Lee, and 2 or 3 non-throw ins as well.
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Have we fallen so in love with our prospects that we can't deal them for a 27-year-old Cy Young winner? Prospects are just prospects -- McNutt and Lee might not even see the majors for all we know. I know -- you can't empty the farm for every player or you won't have anyone left to deal...but are we going to pass on all of the Greinkes and Gonzalezes of the world because we're too eager to hang on to our beloved prospects?
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Again, this board was almost unanimous that we should trade Castro for Peavy.

Not every deal would look that bad in retrospect, but as much as I believe prospects are prospects until they prove their worth, I still think there is a limit to what you should give up. Giving up 4 great prospects for the honor of signing AGonz to a 160 million dollar deal sounds like a bad investment to me. Giving up a Cy Young's worth of prospects for a pitcher that has only pitched like a Cy Young once could be a bad investment. I could be convinced Grienke's worth it, and my guess is he will be better in the NL, but I can also be convinced that gutting our minor leagues for him would be a mistake.
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I wouldn't gut our minors for Greinke -- I never suggested we should. But I'd give up McNutt and Lee in a heartbeat.

I just hope we aren't falling too much in love with our prospects -- that's all I'm saying.

[funkster]

I find it interesting how dismissive people are being about Escobar. A year ago he was considered a more highly valued prospect than Castro. I also recall him being in a few people's top ten lists in all of baseball.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=123996:date=Dec 20 2010, 11:52 AM:name=funkster)-->QUOTE (funkster @ Dec 20 2010, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I find it interesting how dismissive people are being about Escobar. A year ago he was considered a more highly valued prospect than Castro. I also recall him being in a few people's top ten lists in all of baseball.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that's why I don't put a ton of stock in prospects. Escobar is still young (he'll be 24 this coming season), but he sucked ass last year. Castro turned in a near All-Star caliber performance as a 20-year-old. Maybe Escobar will fulfill his promise someday, but his value has plummeted. He isn't in the same stratosphere as Castro at this point.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=123994:date=Dec 20 2010, 11:49 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I wouldn't gut our minors for Greinke -- I never suggested we should. But I'd give up McNutt and Lee in a heartbeat.

I just hope we aren't falling too much in love with our prospects -- that's all I'm saying.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Fine, I'm with you. I'd give up McNutt and Lee as well. But, as Ace pointed out on his blog, the Royals weren't asking for McNutt and Lee. They were asking for McNutt and Lee and Brett Jackson and Robinson Chorinos. That's gutting our system.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=124008:date=Dec 20 2010, 12:58 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 20 2010, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123994:date=Dec 20 2010, 11:49 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I wouldn't gut our minors for Greinke -- I never suggested we should. But I'd give up McNutt and Lee in a heartbeat.

I just hope we aren't falling too much in love with our prospects -- that's all I'm saying.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Fine, I'm with you. I'd give up McNutt and Lee as well. But, as Ace pointed out on his blog, the Royals weren't asking for McNutt and Lee. They were asking for McNutt and Lee and Brett Jackson and Robinson Chorinos. That's gutting our system.
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That seems like more than what the Brewers gave up, but whatever. If any of those guys end up being nearly as good as Greinke, I'll be pretty psyched. And surprised.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=124009:date=Dec 20 2010, 01:00 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=124008:date=Dec 20 2010, 12:58 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 20 2010, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123994:date=Dec 20 2010, 11:49 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I wouldn't gut our minors for Greinke -- I never suggested we should. But I'd give up McNutt and Lee in a heartbeat.

I just hope we aren't falling too much in love with our prospects -- that's all I'm saying.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Fine, I'm with you. I'd give up McNutt and Lee as well. But, as Ace pointed out on his blog, the Royals weren't asking for McNutt and Lee. They were asking for McNutt and Lee and Brett Jackson and Robinson Chorinos. That's gutting our system.
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That seems like more than what the Brewers gave up, but whatever. If any of those guys end up being nearly as good as Greinke, I'll be pretty psyched. And surprised.
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I'm fairly certain none of them will be as good as 2009 Greinke. But it's possible any of them could be as good as 2010 Greinke.