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<!--quoteo(post=123291:date=Dec 14 2010, 08:26 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 14 2010, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Perhaps if we had a taxpayer funded stadium, like the Phillies or WhiteSox, we'd be able to bump our payroll up near the $150-$170 MM mark like Philadelphia.
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It's not like wrigley was built last year by the owners...
There is no way the phillies should be outspending the cubs, you cant even compare the market and fan base size...
I mean, its quite pathetic that the garza deal would make most think this was a good offseason for the cubs... 33yr old peña and a solid #3 pitcher with potential, yay! Meanwhile the red sox beat everyone for the 2012 most wanted free agent and added another top 3 free agent this year...
btw, how does the FA list look for next year?
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<!--quoteo(post=123293:date=Dec 14 2010, 09:47 AM:name=satchel)-->QUOTE (satchel @ Dec 14 2010, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123291:date=Dec 14 2010, 08:26 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 14 2010, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Perhaps if we had a taxpayer funded stadium, like the Phillies or WhiteSox, we'd be able to bump our payroll up near the $150-$170 MM mark like Philadelphia.
Excerpt from Joe Sheehan's Newsletter
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->We do know Amaro Jr. has money to spend. The Philies may pay the luxury tax this year, and if they don't, it won't be for lack of trying. The cycle here is one that a dozen teams could take to heart, however. The Phillies emerged from a downturn by drafting out of their minds, getting Howard, Utley, Rollins and Hamels that way. They picked the free-talent market clean for Victorino and Werth. They locked up their young players with the revenues generated by their taxpayer-funded ballpark, and when the team got better and filled the place deep into the fall, they took a lot of the new money and put it back into the team. That's the implied promise all these teams make, implicitly, when they demand -- in some cases nearly steal -- hundreds of millions of dollars in public money. "Spend this on us," they say, "and we will pay it back in the experience." The Phillies, to their credit, have tried to make that payback in a way that few of the other teams sucking on the state teat have ever considered.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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It's not like wrigley was built last year by the owners...
<b>There is no way the phillies should be outspending the cubs, you cant even compare the market and fan base size... </b>I mean, its quite pathetic that the garza deal would make most think this was a good offseason for the cubs... 33yr old peña and a solid #3 pitcher with potential, yay! Meanwhile the red sox beat everyone for the 2012 most wanted free agent and added another top 3 free agent this year...
btw, how does the FA list look for next year?
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I beg to differ. Philly is a very large city with only ONE team. They have a new ballpark with beautiful and numerous suites. The have a corporate sponsor paying a huge sum for naming rights. They have advertising throughout the stadium. They don't have such significant maintenance costs for their 5 year old ball park. They probably receive all kinds of cash from parking and other ammenities offered by the new park. They don't have below market broadcast deals with the prior owner. I'd guess the Phils revenue is quite a bit larger than the Cubs.
As big of an asset Wrigley is for the Cubs, it is aslo an impediment. That's why I'm on board with Rickett's plan to upgrade the ballpark. Once the ballpark is top notch the revenues will come.
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I'm too lazy to google it, but I don't believe the Phillies revenue is more than the Cubs'. I could be wrong.
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That assumption is wrong, but not far off. We "should" be <b>much</b> higher though.
In terms of 2009 revenue (millions):
1) New York Yankees $441
2) New York Mets $268
3) Boston Red Sox $266
4) LA Dodgers $247
5) Chicago Cubs $246
6) Philadelphia Phillies $233
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/33/baseba...ll_Revenue.html
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Agreed. There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to surpass the Red Sox either. Ricketts seriously needs to consider doing a Cubs TV channel. Does anyone know if its ever even been remotely discussed?
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This sucks simply because a national league team with less revenue than the cubs does anything and everything it wants to get championships. Yet the cubs sign .196 hitters and 84 MPH pitchers (so they hope) and trot out everyone else from a 5th place team again next year. Being a cub fan sucks.
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This is why more and more I'd lean toward blowing shit up and starting over, even though it will never happen. This team isn't beating the Reds and Tards let alone the Phillies of the world anytime soon. Two to three moves away from competing, my ass.
That said I'd still be on board for Garza because it is good for the present and future.
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By the time the Cubs are ready to compete again, Lee, Halladay and Oswalt will be past their primes. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch an already excellent team add *yet another* ace to their staff, but it won't affect the Cubs one way or the other.
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It's only 6 or 7 regular season games but it still is mind boggling that organization now will have that rotation and that payroll, and will do everything out there to stay an awesome force in the NL and World Series contenders every year. All the while this dump of an organization just hangs around and makes their splash signing a dude that hit below the Mendoza line last year.
I agree, this team will suck balls for a couple more years, but it still should anger fans that pay the highest ticket prices in baseball to continuously watch shit on the field...all the while every team with any significance gets better and better.
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<!--quoteo(post=123301:date=Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->By the time the Cubs are ready to compete again, Lee, Halladay and Oswalt will be past their primes. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch an already excellent team add *yet another* ace to their staff, but it won't affect the Cubs one way or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In my mind what happens in the East or West is not relevant. We just have to be able to beat the Cards and Reds, which doesn't look likely either right now. Once you get into a series anything can happen.
Who is replacing Worth in the outfield for them?
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<!--quoteo(post=123301:date=Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->By the time the Cubs are ready to compete again, Lee, Halladay and Oswalt will be past their primes. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch an already excellent team add *yet another* ace to their staff, but it won't affect the Cubs one way or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank you.
Due to the burden from previous contracts, I have a hard time believing that the Cubs have the core needed to "go all out" to begin with. It sucks, but rather throwing good money after bad, I want to see the kind of moves that will help flip this team a year or two down the line. If the Cubs manage to compete this year, wonderful. However, even if they do, the team has all the long-term promise of the 1998 squad. Like that Sheehan quote explains, the Phils (and the Yanks, for that matter) started around a core of solid, young, homegrown talent. I'm prepared for a little foundering in order for the ball club to resist re-committing $oriano-$ized mistakes.
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<!--quoteo(post=123305:date=Dec 14 2010, 12:08 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Dec 14 2010, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123301:date=Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->By the time the Cubs are ready to compete again, Lee, Halladay and Oswalt will be past their primes. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch an already excellent team add *yet another* ace to their staff, but it won't affect the Cubs one way or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In my mind what happens in the East or West is not relevant. We just have to be able to beat the Cards and Reds, which doesn't look likely either right now. Once you get into a series anything can happen.
Who is replacing Worth in the outfield for them?
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Probably their top kid, Domonic Brown.
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<!--quoteo(post=123305:date=Dec 14 2010, 12:08 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Dec 14 2010, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123301:date=Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->By the time the Cubs are ready to compete again, Lee, Halladay and Oswalt will be past their primes. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch an already excellent team add *yet another* ace to their staff, but it won't affect the Cubs one way or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In my mind what happens in the East or West is not relevant. We just have to be able to beat the Cards and Reds, which doesn't look likely either right now. Once you get into a series anything can happen.
Who is replacing Worth in the outfield for them?
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I'm pretty sure the Phillies lineup is going to be rough. The bulk of it is ancient or already declining. They'll need great pitching to win games. They've set them self up to have no flexibility if Lee or Howard is injured or becomes ineffective as they age. I have a feeling this Lee signing will hurt in the long run. It may net them a world series in the short run though. And If so, it would be worth it.
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<!--quoteo(post=123307:date=Dec 14 2010, 12:12 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)-->QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Dec 14 2010, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123301:date=Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->By the time the Cubs are ready to compete again, Lee, Halladay and Oswalt will be past their primes. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch an already excellent team add *yet another* ace to their staff, but it won't affect the Cubs one way or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank you.
Due to the burden from previous contracts, I have a hard time believing that the Cubs have the core needed to "go all out" to begin with. It sucks, but rather throwing good money after bad, I want to see the kind of moves that will help flip this team a year or two down the line. If the Cubs manage to compete this year, wonderful. However, even if they do, the team has all the long-term promise of the 1998 squad. Like that Sheehan quote explains, the Phils (and the Yanks, for that matter) started around a core of solid, young, homegrown talent. I'm prepared for a little foundering in order for the ball club to resist re-committing $oriano-$ized mistakes.
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Fuck yeah slaw. I see it the same way.
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<!--quoteo(post=123311:date=Dec 14 2010, 11:19 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 14 2010, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123307:date=Dec 14 2010, 12:12 PM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Dec 14 2010, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123301:date=Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 14 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->By the time the Cubs are ready to compete again, Lee, Halladay and Oswalt will be past their primes. Yeah, it's frustrating to watch an already excellent team add *yet another* ace to their staff, but it won't affect the Cubs one way or the other.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank you.
Due to the burden from previous contracts, I have a hard time believing that the Cubs have the core needed to "go all out" to begin with. It sucks, but rather throwing good money after bad, I want to see the kind of moves that will help flip this team a year or two down the line. If the Cubs manage to compete this year, wonderful. However, even if they do, the team has all the long-term promise of the 1998 squad. Like that Sheehan quote explains, the Phils (and the Yanks, for that matter) started around a core of solid, young, homegrown talent. I'm prepared for a little foundering in order for the ball club to resist re-committing $oriano-$ized mistakes.
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Fuck yeah slaw. I see it the same way.
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People that don't see it that way scare me. Who are they?
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