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<!--quoteo(post=14177:date=Jan 28 2009, 10:49 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jan 28 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Levine was reporting that we are close to trading for Heilman and giving up Cedeno + a pitcher. Also he mentioned that 3 teams are interested in Hill.
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You trade Rich Hill for ANYTHING you can get.
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<!--quoteo(post=14255:date=Jan 28 2009, 12:36 PM:name=Runnys)-->QUOTE (Runnys @ Jan 28 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=14177:date=Jan 28 2009, 10:49 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 28 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Levine was reporting that we are close to trading for Heilman and giving up Cedeno + a pitcher. Also he mentioned that 3 teams are interested in Hill.
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You trade Rich Hill for ANYTHING you can get.
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His value couldn't really be any lower right now. Might as well wait and hope he puts together a few decent innings somewhere, sometime, and then see if there are any takers.
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<!--quoteo(post=14452:date=Jan 28 2009, 05:49 PM:name=Brock)-->QUOTE (Brock @ Jan 28 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=14255:date=Jan 28 2009, 12:36 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Jan 28 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=14177:date=Jan 28 2009, 10:49 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 28 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Levine was reporting that we are close to trading for Heilman and giving up Cedeno + a pitcher. Also he mentioned that 3 teams are interested in Hill.
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You trade Rich Hill for ANYTHING you can get.
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His value couldn't really be any lower right now. Might as well wait and hope he puts together a few decent innings somewhere, sometime, and then see if there are any takers.
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and what if the decent innings don't come? how many takers will there be then?
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Hill's done. Just get rid of him of already, I'm sick of hearing about his pussy ass.
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<!--quoteo(post=14468:date=Jan 28 2009, 06:04 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Jan 28 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Hill's done. Just get rid of him of already, I'm sick of hearing about his pussy ass.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I loved Hill, but I agree with Clapp. There are probably some other teams who think they can magically get inside his head. If we can get a decent prospect out of it, why not do it?
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<!--quoteo(post=14452:date=Jan 28 2009, 05:49 PM:name=Brock)-->QUOTE (Brock @ Jan 28 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=14255:date=Jan 28 2009, 12:36 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Jan 28 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=14177:date=Jan 28 2009, 10:49 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jan 28 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Levine was reporting that we are close to trading for Heilman and giving up Cedeno + a pitcher. Also he mentioned that 3 teams are interested in Hill.
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You trade Rich Hill for ANYTHING you can get.
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His value couldn't really be any lower right now. Might as well wait and hope he puts together a few decent innings somewhere, sometime, and then see if there are any takers.
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True but he has to make the team or we risk losing him for nothing. Trade him and at least get something for him.
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It would be wonderful if Hendry could work out a PTBNL trade where if Hill is good we would get a better player than the broken fungo we are currently going to get back for Hill.
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If Hendry can't get shit back in return for DeRosa, Cedeno, or Pie, he'll be lucky to get the dad from Little People, Big World in return for Hill.
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Butcher, what would have been a good return for Pie, Cedeno, and DeRosa in your opinion?
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<!--quoteo(post=14492:date=Jan 28 2009, 06:26 PM:name=savant)-->QUOTE (savant @ Jan 28 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Butcher, what would have been a good return for Pie, Cedeno, and DeRosa in your opinion?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would've kept DeRosa and Pie. DeRosa is even more valuable to us now that we have Bradley than he was last year. And if we're going to sign Gathright, then why not just keep Pie. Pie's ceiling is much higher than Gathright's. They were moves that didn't need to be made -- and if you make them, then you should make sure you get something that can help you in return. I'm not seeing anything close to that.
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I would've kept DeRosa and Pie. DeRosa is even more valuable to us now that we have Bradley than he was last year. And if we're going to sign Gathright, then why not just keep Pie. Pie's ceiling is much higher than Gathright's. They were moves that didn't need to be made -- and if you make them, then you should make sure you get something that can help you in return. I'm not seeing anything close to that.
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You're really underrating Heilman.
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<!--quoteo(post=14497:date=Jan 28 2009, 06:35 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Jan 28 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=14495:date=Jan 28 2009, 05:32 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 28 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=14492:date=Jan 28 2009, 06:26 PM:name=savant)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Jan 28 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Butcher, what would have been a good return for Pie, Cedeno, and DeRosa in your opinion?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would've kept DeRosa and Pie. DeRosa is even more valuable to us now that we have Bradley than he was last year. And if we're going to sign Gathright, then why not just keep Pie. Pie's ceiling is much higher than Gathright's. They were moves that didn't need to be made -- and if you make them, then you should make sure you get something that can help you in return. I'm not seeing anything close to that.
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You're really underrating Heilman.
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I guess you're assuming that last year was a hiccup and he'll return to the same pitcher he was in '05-'07?
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I would've kept DeRosa and Pie. DeRosa is even more valuable to us now that we have Bradley than he was last year. And if we're going to sign Gathright, then why not just keep Pie. Pie's ceiling is much higher than Gathright's. They were moves that didn't need to be made -- and if you make them, then you should make sure you get something that can help you in return. I'm not seeing anything close to that.
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You're really underrating Heilman.
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I guess you're assuming that last year was a hiccup and he'll return to the same pitcher he was in '05-'07?
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I think he'll be much more like those 3 years than last year. Like Bush said, I think a change of scenery could be great for him. He just never seemed comfortable last year. It sounds like he's thrilled to be a Cub and hopefully it will bring out the best in him. This guy has a filthy sinker, it's just a matter of getting it over the plate which was never a problem until last year.
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I'm with Butch. Pie is better than Gathright in every way possible. DeRosa was as valuable as any Cub last season, and he was traded for 3 scrubs, none of whom can help us in '09.
OTOH, Bradley will kick ass for 90 or 100 games, and Heilman is a lottery ticket. Youneverknow.
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