Pitchers And Catchers Report

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=22377:date=Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22366:date=Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot, who will share playing time at second base, also can play short and third.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
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I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=22398:date=Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22377:date=Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22366:date=Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot, who will share playing time at second base, also can play short and third.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
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I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?

[Captain]

He's a journeyman minor leaguer that is 31 years old, isnt good enough to hold down a postion,has no power,hits for shit against RHP and basically isnt 'good enough' at anything. Hes a AAAA guy. Some other organization could use him though.I hope he gets dealt.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=22400:date=Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22398:date=Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22377:date=Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22366:date=Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot, who will share playing time at second base, also can play short and third.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?
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Aren't you one of those "25th man doesn't matter" people? If he can come in and play good defense every once in a while, why not <b>consider</b> him for a job?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why a guy like Luis Rivas is talked about in the media as possibly making the team and Scales isn't.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=22422:date=Mar 8 2009, 04:05 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 8 2009, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22400:date=Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22398:date=Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22377:date=Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22366:date=Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot, who will share playing time at second base, also can play short and third.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?
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Aren't you one of those "25th man doesn't matter" people? If he can come in and play good defense every once in a while, why not <b>consider</b> him for a job?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why a guy like Luis Rivas is talked about in the media as possibly making the team and Scales isn't.
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IIRC, it's because Scales doesn't really play shortstop. (at least not any better than Fontenot or Miles)

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=22423:date=Mar 8 2009, 09:16 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 8 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22422:date=Mar 8 2009, 04:05 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 8 2009, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22400:date=Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22398:date=Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22377:date=Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22366:date=Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot, who will share playing time at second base, also can play short and third.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?
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Aren't you one of those "25th man doesn't matter" people? If he can come in and play good defense every once in a while, why not <b>consider</b> him for a job?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why a guy like Luis Rivas is talked about in the media as possibly making the team and Scales isn't.
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IIRC, it's because Scales doesn't really play shortstop. (at least not any better than Fontenot or Miles)
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Neither does Rivas (but I guess that opinion is in the eye of the beholder). I really wish they would just figure out that they need some sort of solid defensive shortstop option.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=22431:date=Mar 8 2009, 12:26 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 8 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22423:date=Mar 8 2009, 09:16 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 8 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22422:date=Mar 8 2009, 04:05 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 8 2009, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22400:date=Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22398:date=Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22377:date=Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22366:date=Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot, who will share playing time at second base, also can play short and third.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
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I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?
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Aren't you one of those "25th man doesn't matter" people? If he can come in and play good defense every once in a while, why not <b>consider</b> him for a job?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why a guy like Luis Rivas is talked about in the media as possibly making the team and Scales isn't.
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IIRC, it's because Scales doesn't really play shortstop. (at least not any better than Fontenot or Miles)
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Neither does Rivas (but I guess that opinion is in the eye of the beholder). I really wish they would just figure out that they need some sort of solid defensive shortstop option.
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Rivas played 31 games at short for the Pirates just last year. Scales has never played short in his long minor league career.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=22422:date=Mar 8 2009, 03:05 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 8 2009, 03:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22400:date=Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22398:date=Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22377:date=Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22366:date=Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot, who will share playing time at second base, also can play short and third.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?
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Aren't you one of those "25th man doesn't matter" people? If he can come in and play good defense every once in a while, why not <b>consider</b> him for a job?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why a guy like Luis Rivas is talked about in the media as possibly making the team and Scales isn't.
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Every roster position matters, some just matter significantly more than others. Scales sucks, if there's a roster he belongs on, it's not the Cubs and it's not at the MLB level.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=22434:date=Mar 8 2009, 12:58 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 8 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22431:date=Mar 8 2009, 12:26 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 8 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22423:date=Mar 8 2009, 09:16 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 8 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22422:date=Mar 8 2009, 04:05 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 8 2009, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22400:date=Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 7 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22398:date=Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Mar 7 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22377:date=Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Mar 7 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=22366:date=Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Mar 7 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot, who will share playing time at second base, also can play short and third.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
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I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?
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Aren't you one of those "25th man doesn't matter" people? If he can come in and play good defense every once in a while, why not <b>consider</b> him for a job?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why a guy like Luis Rivas is talked about in the media as possibly making the team and Scales isn't.
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IIRC, it's because Scales doesn't really play shortstop. (at least not any better than Fontenot or Miles)
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Neither does Rivas (but I guess that opinion is in the eye of the beholder). I really wish they would just figure out that they need some sort of solid defensive shortstop option.
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Rivas played 31 games at short for the Pirates just last year. Scales has never played short in his long minor league career.
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I think you missed my point here guys. I'm not arguing in favor of Scales as much as I'm arguing against Rivas. I want a true strong defensive utility player.

You all fail.

[Ace]

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They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
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I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?
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Aren't you one of those "25th man doesn't matter" people? If he can come in and play good defense every once in a while, why not <b>consider</b> him for a job?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why a guy like Luis Rivas is talked about in the media as possibly making the team and Scales isn't.
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IIRC, it's because Scales doesn't really play shortstop. (at least not any better than Fontenot or Miles)
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Neither does Rivas (but I guess that opinion is in the eye of the beholder). I really wish they would just figure out that they need some sort of solid defensive shortstop option.
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Rivas played 31 games at short for the Pirates just last year. Scales has never played short in his long minor league career.
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I think you missed my point here guys. I'm not arguing in favor of Scales as much as I'm arguing against Rivas. I want a true strong defensive utility player.

You all fail.
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I hate Rivas, just like you. But I also hate Scales.

Slawfail.

[ruby23]

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They can?
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They <i>can</i>, yes. I think they'll all happen except for Fontenot at SS(I mean he could find himself there in an emergency once or twice).
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I'm wondering why Bobby Scales never is mentioned as a possibility as a utility man. He's played quite a bit at 2B, 3B, and OF and although I'm not sure, I believe he's a damn good defender from what I've heard. He's a journeyman minor leaguer and is 31 years old, but he's always had a pretty good OBP in the minors. On top of that he had a phenomenal year at AAA last year. Just always confused me why he isn't even mentioned as a possibility.
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Because he sucks?
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Aren't you one of those "25th man doesn't matter" people? If he can come in and play good defense every once in a while, why not <b>consider</b> him for a job?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't, I'm just curious as to why a guy like Luis Rivas is talked about in the media as possibly making the team and Scales isn't.
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IIRC, it's because Scales doesn't really play shortstop. (at least not any better than Fontenot or Miles)
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Neither does Rivas (but I guess that opinion is in the eye of the beholder). I really wish they would just figure out that they need some sort of solid defensive shortstop option.
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Rivas played 31 games at short for the Pirates just last year. Scales has never played short in his long minor league career.
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I think you missed my point here guys. I'm not arguing in favor of Scales as much as I'm arguing against Rivas. I want a true strong defensive utility player.

You all fail.
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Even though Rivas is a fringe MLBer, he's head and shoulders more qualified to be the 25th man than Scales, just sayin'.

[Scarey]

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If you want to argue that Rivas is better than Scales, be my guest. It's like arguing Rosie O'Donnell is more attractive than Star Jones. I'm not going to argue in your favor or against it mostly because it's completely pointless.

[ruby23]

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If you want to argue that Rivas is better than Scales, be my guest. It's like arguing Rosie O'Donnell is more attractive than Star Jones. I'm not going to argue in your favor or against it mostly because it's completely pointless.
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So you think a 31 year old, journeyman, life time minor leaguer is comparable to a 28 year old, former top 100 prospect, that's spent parts of 8 seasons in the MLB and has over 2000 career MLB ABs? Weird.

[Clapp]

Marshall's just dominating. 4 innings, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K today, and a 1.00 ERA on the spring. That came against the Rangers' A lineup.

[Runnys]

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I saw that and although I am excited, it doesn't mean shit once April 6th rolls around.