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<!--quoteo(post=18394:date=Feb 17 2009, 02:05 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Feb 17 2009, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18390:date=Feb 17 2009, 02:47 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Feb 17 2009, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18384:date=Feb 17 2009, 02:39 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Feb 17 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think in one of his recent interviews Lou mentioned Lilly might start opening day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, I heard that as well. He wants to make it up to him for not being able to pitch him in the playoffs.
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It worries me to see stuff like that. It seems like everyone is just <b>assuming</b> that we're gonna win the division by 10 games, and thus we can dick around, and settle old scores, and have "fun" lineups, and let our 4th best starter be our Opening Day guy...to me, that's a dangerous path to go down.
This is the Chicago fucking Cubs we're talking about.
Spock would pick Harden for Opening Day. His combined ERA+ last year (in both the AL and NL) was 203, best in MLB for any starter.
Literally, number 1. Better than Sabathia, better than Santana or Linceum. And that's in about 150 innings, so it's not a small sample.
He's lights out when healthy. Let's get this season off to a good start by giving our team it's highest % chance of winning. Radical concept, I know.
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Lilly was arguably our best starter after April last year. He gave us a chance to win every single game. He's going to win 15+ again this year, he's not a #4 starter. He just happens to be on our team because we're loaded, but he's an ace on some teams.
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<!--quoteo(post=18401:date=Feb 17 2009, 03:33 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 17 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18394:date=Feb 17 2009, 02:05 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Feb 17 2009, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18390:date=Feb 17 2009, 02:47 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Feb 17 2009, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18384:date=Feb 17 2009, 02:39 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Feb 17 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think in one of his recent interviews Lou mentioned Lilly might start opening day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, I heard that as well. He wants to make it up to him for not being able to pitch him in the playoffs.
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It worries me to see stuff like that. It seems like everyone is just <b>assuming</b> that we're gonna win the division by 10 games, and thus we can dick around, and settle old scores, and have "fun" lineups, and let our 4th best starter be our Opening Day guy...to me, that's a dangerous path to go down.
This is the Chicago fucking Cubs we're talking about.
Spock would pick Harden for Opening Day. His combined ERA+ last year (in both the AL and NL) was 203, best in MLB for any starter.
Literally, number 1. Better than Sabathia, better than Santana or Linceum. And that's in about 150 innings, so it's not a small sample.
He's lights out when healthy. Let's get this season off to a good start by giving our team it's highest % chance of winning. Radical concept, I know.
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Lilly was arguably our best starter after April last year. He gave us a chance to win every single game. He's going to win 15+ again this year, he's not a #4 starter. He just happens to be on our team because we're loaded, but he's an ace on some teams.
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Dude, are you just fucking with me? I didn't say he was a #4 starter, I said he was the 4th best starter on <i>this</i> team. Lou came to the identical conclusion during last year's playoffs.
Yeah, if he were on the Royals or Pirates or some other non-playoff contender, he'd be their ace. But he isn't. He's on the Cubs.
And your saying he sucked in April just gives me more reason to not want him to get an extra April start, on Opening day.
I love Ted Lilly. I was one of the many who considered him better than Zito when they were both FA's. Now there's no doubt. But my adoration for any one player is dwarfed by my desire to see the Cubs win, and the Cubs are a better team with the most dominating pitcher in MLB on the mound. That man is James Richard Harden.
Pretty simple, I think.
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Yeah, I heard that as well. He wants to make it up to him for not being able to pitch him in the playoffs.
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It worries me to see stuff like that. It seems like everyone is just <b>assuming</b> that we're gonna win the division by 10 games, and thus we can dick around, and settle old scores, and have "fun" lineups, and let our 4th best starter be our Opening Day guy...to me, that's a dangerous path to go down.
This is the Chicago fucking Cubs we're talking about.
Spock would pick Harden for Opening Day. His combined ERA+ last year (in both the AL and NL) was 203, best in MLB for any starter.
Literally, number 1. Better than Sabathia, better than Santana or Linceum. And that's in about 150 innings, so it's not a small sample.
He's lights out when healthy. Let's get this season off to a good start by giving our team it's highest % chance of winning. Radical concept, I know.
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Lilly was arguably our best starter after April last year. He gave us a chance to win every single game. He's going to win 15+ again this year, he's not a #4 starter. He just happens to be on our team because we're loaded, but he's an ace on some teams.
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Dude, are you just fucking with me? I didn't say he was a #4 starter, I said he was the 4th best starter on <i>this</i> team. Lou came to the identical conclusion during last year's playoffs.
Yeah, if he were on the Royals or Pirates or some other non-playoff contender, he'd be their ace. But he isn't. He's on the Cubs.
And by saying he sucked in April just gives me more reason to not want him to get an extra April start, on Opening day.
I love Ted Lilly. I was one of the many who considered him better than Zito when they were both FA's. Now there's no doubt. But my adoration for any one player is dwarfed by my desire to see the Cubs win, and the Cubs are a better team with the most dominating pitcher in MLB on the mound. That man is Richard Harden.
Pretty simple, I think.
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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rollin.gif[/img] The "he sucked in April so he shouldnt start on opening day" is a different and great argument. You just were making him sound like Marquis. I feel every bit as good about our chances to win with Lilly as I do with anybody in our rotation. In my opinion we have 4 aces.
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Am I the only one that doesn't see anything there?
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<!--quoteo(post=18412:date=Feb 17 2009, 04:02 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 17 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Am I the only one that doesn't see anything there?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4 Aces. Is this better?
BTW, Harden's real name is James Richard Harden. I think he should go by Jim-Dick.
It's a perfectly honorable name, and he'd be smart to wear it proudly.
So we have:
-Dempy
-Z
-The great and unassailable Theodore Roosevelt Lilly
-Jim-Dick
Them's 4 aces. Go Cubs.
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I like J.R. Harden
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<!--quoteo(post=18415:date=Feb 17 2009, 04:12 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Feb 17 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18412:date=Feb 17 2009, 04:02 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 17 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Am I the only one that doesn't see anything there?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4 Aces. Is this better?
BTW, Harden's real name is James Richard Harden. I think he should go by Jim-Dick.
It's a perfectly honorable name, and he'd be smart to wear it proudly.
So we have:
-Dempy
-Z
-The great and unassailable Theodore Roosevelt Lilly
-Jim-Dick
Them's 4 aces. Go Cubs.
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I have a friend who's name is James Richard ____. He goes by JR, but I call him Jimmy Dick.
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<!--quoteo(post=18420:date=Feb 17 2009, 04:17 PM:name=The Dude)-->QUOTE (The Dude @ Feb 17 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18415:date=Feb 17 2009, 04:12 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Feb 17 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18412:date=Feb 17 2009, 04:02 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 17 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Am I the only one that doesn't see anything there?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4 Aces. Is this better?
BTW, Harden's real name is James Richard Harden. I think he should go by Jim-Dick.
It's a perfectly honorable name, and he'd be smart to wear it proudly.
So we have:
-Dempy
-Z
-The great and unassailable Theodore Roosevelt Lilly
-Jim-Dick
Them's 4 aces. Go Cubs.
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I have a friend who's name is James Richard ____. He goes by JR, but I call him Jimmy Dick.
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Perfect. Plus, I doubt your friend has an outstanding last name to blend perfectly with "Jimmy Dick."
Yet, Harden does. Jimmy <b>Dick Harden</b>!
Fuck yeah!
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How come we didn't think of Dick Harden all of last year? That just blows me away.
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<!--quoteo(post=18427:date=Feb 17 2009, 05:27 PM:name=Jody)-->QUOTE (Jody @ Feb 17 2009, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How come we didn't think of Dick Harden all of last year? That just blows me away.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Must have been that lack of gayness that Tom was talking about.
I'm 100% fine with this. I'm just glad there's an actual plan in place that isn't, "Let's load up on retreads and hope we get lucky." I'm a little tired of that plan.
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I could have sworn that someone did at some point call him Dick Harden. I even remember hearing/saying it at SOITOW. Maybe my memory fails me though.
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<!--quoteo(post=18444:date=Feb 17 2009, 03:59 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Feb 17 2009, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I could have sworn that someone did at some point call him Dick Harden. I even remember hearing/saying it at SOITOW. Maybe my memory fails me though.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Clapp has been calling him Dick Harden since the day we made the trade.
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<!--quoteo(post=18445:date=Feb 17 2009, 05:00 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Feb 17 2009, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=18444:date=Feb 17 2009, 03:59 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Feb 17 2009, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I could have sworn that someone did at some point call him Dick Harden. I even remember hearing/saying it at SOITOW. Maybe my memory fails me though.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Clapp has been calling him Dick Harden since the day we made the trade.
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That sounds about right. Wasn't the original trade thread even entitled Dick Harden or something to that effect?
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On a related, and hilarious note, I'm working on a project with a guy named 'Rusty Hooker'.
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