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<!--quoteo(post=41812:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:08 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 3 2009, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41809:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:05 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Jun 3 2009, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41753:date=Jun 3 2009, 09:58 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 3 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Also, if you don't think the Cubs offense has been terrible, I don't know what to tell you. The Cubs have played 50 games, and 19 times (~40%) they've scored 3 runs or fewer.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Cardinals have scored 3 or fewer in 24 games this season. They don't seem to have trouble winning games so far.
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Actually it doesn't tell me or you anything, other than both teams have had trouble scoring runs. What the the Cards have done has no bearing anything the Cubs have done. The Cubs have an X W-L of 25-25, and guess what, that's their record. The Cards, they have a X W-L of 30-22, and low and behold that's their record too. So, I guess both teams have been winning the games they should have won.
Oh yeah, the Cards have 3 whole losses fewer than the Cubs, which can be attributed to the series the Cubs got swept in by the Cards when they scored 2 whole runs in 3 games.
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<!--quoteo(post=41823:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:34 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 3 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Oh yeah, the Cards have 3 whole losses fewer than the Cubs, which can be attributed to the series the Cubs got swept in by the Cards when they scored 2 whole runs in 3 games.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It also can be attributed to the 3 extra losses the Cubs bullpen has earned over the Cards bullpen.
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Simple answer is the offense and the bullpen both suck. Both are ranked 13th out of 16 teams in the national league, so yeah, awful.
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<!--quoteo(post=41826:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:45 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Jun 3 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Simple answer is the offense and the bullpen both suck. Both are ranked 13th out of 16 teams in the national league, so yeah, awful.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah...I'm not giving anyone a pass. Pretty much every aspect of the team has sucked this season. Even our starting pitching has been worse than last year (except for Wells, who doesn't even have a win yet).
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Our starting pitchers ERA is 7th in all of baseball and was 5th in baseball during May, so that's the one aspect I have a hard time complaining about. To me that just shows how bad our bullpen and offense really are.
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<!--quoteo(post=41828:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:57 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Jun 3 2009, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Our starting pitchers ERA is 7th in all of baseball and was 5th in baseball during May, so that's the one aspect I have a hard time complaining about. To me that just shows how bad our bullpen and offense really are.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm guessing it was pretty close to 1st last season. But...we were close to 1st in nearly every category last season (offense and pitching), so everything feels like it's sucking.
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<!--quoteo(post=41834:date=Jun 3 2009, 03:13 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 3 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41828:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:57 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Jun 3 2009, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Our starting pitchers ERA is 7th in all of baseball and was 5th in baseball during May, so that's the one aspect I have a hard time complaining about. To me that just shows how bad our bullpen and offense really are.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm guessing it was pretty close to 1st last season. But...we were close to 1st in nearly every category last season (offense and pitching), so everything feels like it's sucking.
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If either of our offense or bullpen were in the top 5 in the NL, there's no doubt in my mind that we'd be in 1st place right now. Our rotation only looks average because our bullpen is blowing leads and our offense isn't carrying its weight. It's being overshadowed.
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<!--quoteo(post=41826:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:45 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Jun 3 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Simple answer is the offense and the bullpen both suck. Both are ranked 13th out of 16 teams in the national league, so yeah, awful.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not saying either have been good, my point was that the bullpen has shown improvement and the offense hasn't and it's about a 100% sure thing the defense will suck all year.
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<!--quoteo(post=41849:date=Jun 3 2009, 05:22 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 3 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41826:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:45 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Jun 3 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Simple answer is the offense and the bullpen both suck. Both are ranked 13th out of 16 teams in the national league, so yeah, awful.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not saying either have been good, my point was that the bullpen has shown improvement and the offense hasn't and it's about a 100% sure thing the defense will suck all year.
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The D looked pretty good last night. Did you see that play The Riot made in the hole? And it was good to see Geo come in and throw out the Braves new speedster without even being warmed up. And yeah, I thought he WAS out.
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<!--quoteo(post=42020:date=Jun 4 2009, 11:02 AM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jun 4 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41849:date=Jun 3 2009, 05:22 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 3 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41826:date=Jun 3 2009, 02:45 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Jun 3 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Simple answer is the offense and the bullpen both suck. Both are ranked 13th out of 16 teams in the national league, so yeah, awful.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not saying either have been good, my point was that the bullpen has shown improvement and the offense hasn't and it's about a 100% sure thing the defense will suck all year.
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The D looked pretty good last night. Did you see that play The Riot made in the hole? And it was good to see Geo come in and throw out the Braves new speedster without even being warmed up. And yeah, I thought he WAS out.
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One good game defensively and a couple of good plays doesn't negate the fact that the Cubs everyday lineup, when healthy, is clearly in bottom tier of defensive clubs out there. If they hit like they should, it probably wouldn't matter, but their bats currently aren't making up for any defensive miscues.
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I'm not saying either have been good, my point was that the bullpen has shown improvement and the offense hasn't and it's about a 100% sure thing the defense will suck all year.
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The D looked pretty good last night. Did you see that play The Riot made in the hole? And it was good to see Geo come in and throw out the Braves new speedster without even being warmed up. And yeah, I thought he WAS out.
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One good game defensively and a couple of good plays doesn't negate the fact that the Cubs everyday lineup, when healthy, is clearly in bottom tier of defensive clubs out there. If they hit like they should, it probably wouldn't matter, but their bats currently aren't making up for any defensive miscues.
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So when healthy, where are the holes? Bradley has been pretty good in right, Soriano makes up for his bad routes with speed and a great arm, Theriot and Fontenot are good up the middle. If Soto's shoulder would heal up he'd be able to throw out more runners, and he still calls a good game, DLee is great at first Reed/Fuk play great in Center/A-Ram is pretty good as far as third basemen go and he makes up for any miscues he has.
I think you were making your "the defense sucks argument" based on two plays from two days ago. [hoping that the stats back up my argument, too lazy to check]
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I don't think Theriot and Fontent are good middle infielders. In fact, they're pretty sub-par -- especially range-wise.
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Based on fielding percentage (and I get it, it's not a true measure of defensive ability) then we're 10th in the NL, not good but not in the bottom tier either. And we also currently have the exact same fielding percentage we had last year when we won 97 games. The defense is not the reason we're not in first right now.
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I agree with you.
If all of our hitters where performing at or around their career averages, I think we'd be in first.
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I agree with you.
If all of our hitters where performing at or around their career averages, I think we'd be in first.
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And if we were anywhere in the vicinity of having a semi-healthy team as well. This is just a big mess right now.
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