Bullpen

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=41683:date=Jun 2 2009, 10:49 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Jun 2 2009, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41681:date=Jun 2 2009, 10:37 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 2 2009, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41677:date=Jun 2 2009, 10:19 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Jun 2 2009, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38184:date=May 15 2009, 03:53 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 15 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jake Fox and Cotts for soemthing could be possible, I don't see it netting the Cubs anything of value though.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's times like these that I wonder how much a Joakim Soria would cost in a trade. Vitters? I might be crazy enough to do that if I'm in Hendry's position.

Seriously though, I would love to see Heath Bell and George Sherrill join this shit ass bullpen.
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Times like what? The bullpen hadn't given up a run in like 15 innings coming into today. If Lee and Soto make easy plays, they don't give up any tonight either. The rotation, the pen, the pitching staff in general are not a worry to me. The absolutely pathetic offense and piss poor defense is though. Changes need to be made and additions probably have to happen, I don't see them being needed on the pitching front though.
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Times like THESE! You know, the ones where your shutdown reliever gives up a couple walks and allows a run because of it. And your closer gives up a 2 run homer to the biggest douche bag in the NL. THESE FUCKING TIME!

I don't give a shit if the bullpen hasn't given up a run in 15 innings. They just did give it up when it matters. That's the fucking problem. Don't give me the useless fucking stats. Is it really that big of a help when your bullpen doesn't give up any runs when the team is up by 6-7 runs? Or down by 8? Give me a fucking break.

I'm sorry, but when your setup man and closer have a combined WHIP of almost 1.60, that is a fucking problem. Just because the offense has been anemic, doesn't mean the bullpen is NOT a problem.

Blame Lee and Soto if you want, but 9 times out of 10 they make those plays. I can't say the same for the bullpen's ability to succeed.
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Of course I can blame Soto and Lee, it was their fault the Cubs lost. Also, if they can only make those plays 90% of the time, they fucking suck. The bullpen was shit to start the season, but they have not been close to being a problem lately. On the other hand, the offense hasn't shown shit all year and the defense is doomed to a failure all year long.

[BackyardLegend]

God damn this bullpen is terrible. Wells has been an excellent starter so far and the bullpen throws up a big double middle finger right back at him.

[veryzer]

there are problems with every facet of this team. the cubs are finding ways to lose and that's a bad bad thing.

[BackyardLegend]

Yes, and I hope we can shed some of these losers soon.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=41706:date=Jun 3 2009, 07:13 AM:name=BackyardLegend)-->QUOTE (BackyardLegend @ Jun 3 2009, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->God damn this bullpen is terrible. Wells has been an excellent starter so far and the bullpen throws up a big double middle finger right back at him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wells has been screwed by the offense 3 times, the bullpen once, and the defense once. Alot of this bullpen hate is completely misguided.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=41723:date=Jun 3 2009, 07:57 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 3 2009, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=41706:date=Jun 3 2009, 07:13 AM:name=BackyardLegend)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BackyardLegend @ Jun 3 2009, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->God damn this bullpen is terrible. Wells has been an excellent starter so far and the bullpen throws up a big double middle finger right back at him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wells has been screwed by the offense 3 times, the bullpen once, and the defense once. Alot of this bullpen hate is completely misguided.
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Look at it going forward. Do you think the offense can recover from this funk and put up respectable numbers?

Do you think the bullpen can pitch reliably down the stretch?

I say yes to the first one and a definitive no to the second. I have no faith in the bullpen right now and I know I'm not the only one. It needs to be fixed.

[ruby23]

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Wells has been screwed by the offense 3 times, the bullpen once, and the defense once. Alot of this bullpen hate is completely misguided.
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Look at it going forward. Do you think the offense can recover from this funk and put up respectable numbers?

Do you think the bullpen can pitch reliably down the stretch?

I say yes to the first one and a definitive no to the second. I have no faith in the bullpen right now and I know I'm not the only one. It needs to be fixed.
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I think you definitively have no idea. As far as performances this year, the bullpen has shown improvements since the onset of the season, I know that much. The offense has sucked since day 1 and shows no signs of improvement. Look above, Wells should be 5-0, he's not and a majority of the reason he's not has nothing to do with the bullpen.

[vitaminB]

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[Madden]And boom, theres a guy who gets it.[/Madden]

[Butcher]

Guzman is the only guy out of the pen I have any faith in right now. Gregg's ERA is above 5. Marmol can't find the strike zone to save his life. Heilmam is wildly inconsistent. Everyone else are long relievers or mop-up guys.

Yeah -- Lee and Soto both fucked up last night. But they didn't walk home a run or serve up a meatball to Francouer. Everyone is to blame last night, except Wells.

But our bullpen isn't good. I don't see how anyone (but ruby) can argue otherwise.

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=41727:date=Jun 3 2009, 08:14 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jun 3 2009, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think you definitively have no idea.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Since we're telling each other what we think, I think you're an insecure prick that can't stand to be wrong so will try to dig up any ridiculous way of being right.

The Cubs offense hasn't really been all that terrible outside of the 8 game losing streak. Not counting those 8 games, they've averaged 4.9 runs per game... as much as they scored last nght which seemed to be sufficient for you since you didn't blame the loss on the offense.

[veryzer]

scarey? ruby? you're both right. the offense has sucked. the bullpen has sucked. and when one is good, the other isn't. thats a bad recipe.

the cubs are finding ways to lose and you aren't going to get to the playoffs when you can't win winnable games.

personally, i'd like to blow this whole team up and start from scratch, but i just don't see how that's possible. we're stuck with a lot of these guys whether we like it or not.

[ruby23]

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Since we're telling each other what we think, I think you're an insecure prick that can't stand to be wrong so will try to dig up any ridiculous way of being right.

The Cubs offense hasn't really been all that terrible outside of the 8 game losing streak. Not counting those 8 games, they've averaged 4.9 runs per game... as much as they scored last nght which seemed to be sufficient for you since you didn't blame the loss on the offense.
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I blamed the loss last night on the defense, numbnuts. Mostly because, it was the 100% reason the Cubs lost. I'm also not wrong about the bullpen, it has shown signs of improvement. Coming into the game last night, they hadn't given up a run in 15 innings, that's pretty damn good. Had the defense made 2 easy plays last night, that streak would still be going. Don't let facts get in the way buddy.

Also, if you don't think the Cubs offense has been terrible, I don't know what to tell you. The Cubs have played 50 games, and 19 times (~40%) they've scored 3 runs or fewer.

[rok]

The bullpen WAS good for a week or so, maybe two weeks. That is almost entirely attributable to Marmol, Gregg and Guzman getting into a nice groove. Other than those 3 though, it's been a crapshoot. All I'm saying is that almost no aspect of this team inspires confidence. Not the offense, not the defense and not the bullpen. I only have confidence in our starters, and even that changes on a weekly basis.

[Scarey]

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The Cardinals have scored 3 or fewer in 24 games this season. They don't seem to have trouble winning games so far.

[Butcher]

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The Cardinals have scored 3 or fewer in 24 games this season. They don't seem to have trouble winning games so far.
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