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<!--quoteo(post=26985:date=Apr 5 2009, 03:22 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 5 2009, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=26984:date=Apr 5 2009, 02:16 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 5 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=26983:date=Apr 5 2009, 03:14 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 5 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=26982:date=Apr 5 2009, 02:11 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 5 2009, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Butch, I was under the impression that the Cubs have said we traded DeRosa to get more left handed in the lineup. 2nd was the only position that they would be able to do this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah -- I'm pretty sure you're right. I do feel like I heard that quote. However, we already had Fontenot on the roster -- we didn't need to trade DeRosa to get more left-handed (unless getting Miles was actually considered an upgrade).
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But Fontenot wasn't going to start if DeRosa was here. They wanted Fontenot to get more at bats, and I think we'll be happy with the decision.
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Not when Bradley goes down for half the season, we won't.
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I'm talking about at second base, that we'll be happy about Fontenot getting more at bats. I agree we'll miss DeRosa's versatility.
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I think Fontenot would've had plenty of ABs. DeRo would probably get 60-75 games in RF. Give him 15-20 at 1B. Give him about the same (or more) at 3B. Let him pinch hit or spell Alf a few other days and Fontenot would get 130 games at 2B. That's probably what he'll get anyway with Miles on the roster.
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I think Lou had <i>a lot</i> to do with this. He's gone on and on about Patton and Gaudin's clearly pissed him off.
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<!--quoteo(post=26991:date=Apr 5 2009, 04:42 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 5 2009, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think Lou had <i>a lot</i> to do with this. He's gone on and on about Patton and Gaudin's clearly pissed him off.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you're exactly right. I think Lou is really the one pushing the roster buttons, and has been all offseason. Ironically, Hendry had to make moves so that Dusty couldn't fuck things up - and now he's making moves to get Lou what he wants.
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<!--quoteo(post=26980:date=Apr 5 2009, 03:58 PM:name=sleepyhead)-->QUOTE (sleepyhead @ Apr 5 2009, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=26978:date=Apr 5 2009, 02:54 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 5 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=26970:date=Apr 5 2009, 01:42 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Apr 5 2009, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If Patton sucks it up in a few weeks, the Cubs would also get nothing for him. I understand the desire to keep him, but on a championship calibre team, there's no room to "stash" guys. He better be legit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I don't get... do they really believe he's better than Gaudin is? I mean unbelievable spring and Gaudin was god awful, but this guy's never pitched above A ball and Gaudin's been a proven, solid pitcher in the bigs since 2003, that can start or relieve. That's valuable, especially on our team. He's also just 1 year older than Patton. Like you and Savant said, must be something else we're not aware of because it makes little to no sense to me and I'll be very surprised if we don't end up regretting it for baseball reasons, and it obviously sucks financially too.
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My bet is he didn't want to be DL'd with some trumped up injury, but he would have been ZERO value on this team pitching the way he's pitched since he got hurt last year.
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That's my thoughts also. The Cubs have been unhappy with him since last season's "injury."
Maybe he wasn't keen on the fake DL trip to help the team, and they said fine we will release you.
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What I don't get... do they really believe he's better than Gaudin is? I mean unbelievable spring and Gaudin was god awful, but this guy's never pitched above A ball and Gaudin's been a proven, solid pitcher in the bigs since 2003, that can start or relieve. That's valuable, especially on our team. He's also just 1 year older than Patton. Like you and Savant said, must be something else we're not aware of because it makes little to no sense to me and I'll be very surprised if we don't end up regretting it for baseball reasons, and it obviously sucks financially too.
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My bet is he didn't want to be DL'd with some trumped up injury, but he would have been ZERO value on this team pitching the way he's pitched since he got hurt last year.
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That's my thoughts also. The Cubs have been unhappy with him since last season's "injury."
Maybe he wasn't keen on the fake DL trip to help the team, and they said fine we will release you.
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Yep. Hendry's never hesitated to invent injuries when needed. Either Gaudin refused to go along or they actually believe something is seriously wrong with him. Nothing Hendry has ever done suggests they'd just cut him when there was another option.
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Does anyone remember the report last season about Gaudin falling into a dumpster and that's why he was hurt towards the end of the season? If that was true (i.e. he got hurt while out drunk after a game) I could see why the organization may have given him the heave ho.
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What? I never heard this report. Is there a story about this anywhere online?
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What? I never heard this report. Is there a story about this anywhere online?
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It was very brief in a report around the time it happened. I'll see what I can find.
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The Chicago Sun Times reports that the Cubs have "no idea" when Chad Gaudin (back) "might be able to return to the bullpen."
According to the newspaper, Gaudin was injured "slipping off a curb and falling against a dumpster while out after a game" and hasn't pitched since August 29. He's been sent to the team's training facility in Arizona to rehab, so Gaudin isn't close to returning.
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What? I never heard this report. Is there a story about this anywhere online?
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But the bruised back of Chad Gaudin has quietly turned into the most baffling health concern on the pitching staff. And considering the way he helped raise the level of the entire bullpen for close to six weeks after being acquired in that trade in early July, his continued loss is creating a substantial, if overshadowed, gap on the staff.
That's why he's in Chicago Monday for another scan on the area he bruised in an away-from-the-field accident -- having slipped off a curb and smacked his back on a dumpster. He hasn't pitched since Aug. 29 and despite telling me Saturday he felt better, it seems, based on conversations with others close to the situation, like his recovery has stalled, if not started to reverse.
How does a bruise linger this seriously, this long? The Cubs hope to start getting solid answers to that on Monday.
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Oh wow. Yeah that would make some more sense.
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Wow. I had not heard of that. Great finds, guys. That deserves a write-up.
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Yep, that was the "injury" that I spoke about. Sorry, I thought that was common knowledge.
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I think the nature of the injury (back injury) and time of the injury (late season) are common knowledge, but I had no idea it was because he was being a drunk guy.
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Someone on the radio alluded to his mysterious fall last week, but didn't provide details. There had to be a reason why Oakland was so willing to dump him on us, when his numbers were pretty solid for most of his career. Maybe this guy was quite the shithead and his problems are more mental than anything, like Farnsworth. So in the end, if we traded Gallagher for Harden and this tool, we may get nothing out of that trade unless Harden turns it around soon.
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