Are Cub fans really all that racist?

[Bricklayer]

<!--quoteo(post=30567:date=Apr 15 2009, 02:53 PM:name=Croz)-->QUOTE (Croz @ Apr 15 2009, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30565:date=Apr 15 2009, 02:50 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 15 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You know, it doesn't matter what ruby/butch/tom thinks. What matters is that the Cubs have a seriously bad reputation around MLB for having racist fans. Torii Hunter specifically put the Cubs on his "no-trade" list because he didn't want to be the subject of racial epithets while trying to play ball.

Doesn't it seem like something has to be done? Putting monitors/security guards in the bleachers? If Bradley made a bad throw, and the guy next to me called him an "N," I seriously would consider punching the guy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Have you actually heard the "N" word during a game? I have been to a lot of games and sat in all areas of the park and have NEVER heard one N word. A lot of f bombs though.
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I have never heard an openly racist taunt, ever. The closest racial thing I have personally heard was a vulgar Asian impersonation by a drunk douchebag to his friends aimed at Hee Seop Choi.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=30477:date=Apr 15 2009, 11:25 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30464:date=Apr 15 2009, 12:40 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 15 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30457:date=Apr 15 2009, 12:24 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm just gonna throw this out there . . . since meeting my wife 7 years ago and spending alot more time in the Chicago area, I've heard some of the most ridiculously insensitive things I can imagine come from people mouths. I've heard things said by complete strangers, in public situations, that I couldn't fathom anyone saying. I may be from podunk, backwards, hillbilly Iowa, but I've never heard anything here like what I've heard in some of my trips to Chicago.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean.
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It means that I've heard more racist comments there than I ever could have imagined. It means that I've heard the N word and other derrogatory terms used in passing, like it's common place, far too often. It means that I think there may be some truth to what the article is saying.
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I've never been to Chicago, but going off of what rok said about Chicago being similar to other cities...I've never ever a white person say the N word with the "Er" or using it to call someone. I admit I have heard it with a "ga" at the end in a joking manner, but that's it (not that that's acceptable). Half my family is Mexican, and I've heard numerous comments of "negro" and the Spanish counterparts for the N word from my grandma. But other than her, and wannabe gangsters in high school (black and Mexican), I've never heard it said like that.

If Chicago was so racist, do you really think Obama would have so much support from Chicago? Honestly.

[Butcher]

This is pure conjecture, but this is what I think may have happened...

LaTroy was getting a lot of shit from fans. Dusty thought he should do something to deflect some of the negative attention and maybe do something to try and make things better for LaTroy. So he threw the racist thing out there, hoping people would feel bad about it and lay off LaTroy somewhat.

Unfortunately, it didn't work, and now Cubs fans have been branded as bigots.

I'm not saying people don't say stupid shit at Wrigley. They do. People drink too much, get rowdy, yell insensitive things, etc. I don't doubt that racial slurs have been yelled. But I guarantee it happens at every other stadium in baseball. But now, because of irresponsible articles like this one, people (and players) are starting to think Wrigley is a gigantic den of intolerance.

[Andy]

How many of you guys actually read the article? Given some of the responses, I don't think half of you read anything but "racist" and "Cubs fans".

Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are racist fans in every ball park. They either aren't as vocal at other stadiums or aren't as frequent.

[Croz]

For every douche like Tori Hunter, LaToya, and Jock Jones there is a Sammy Sosa, Derrek Lee, Ernie Banks, Billie Williams, and Andre Dawson that were treated like gods while here.

[Butcher]

I've read the article. Twice, now (I read it again after your post to see if I was missing something). I stand by my statements.

[Bricklayer]

<!--quoteo(post=30589:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How many of you guys actually read the article? Given some of the responses, I don't think half of you read anything but "racist" and "Cubs fans".

Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are racist fans in every ball park. They either aren't as vocal at other stadiums or aren't as frequent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I've read the article and it does say they received racial taunts at the ballpark, but I just don't see that being done without some sort of uproar. It makes it seem that there are entire sections of fans chanting racial slurs.

Now have some of these players gotten hateful mail, I wouldn't be surprised at all since there are so many douchebags out there that feel empowered in anonymity. The article needs to be more specific.

For Latroy to have heard a racial taunt on the field, he would have either heard it while warming up in the bullpen, which I would think someone from the Cubs or in the stands would done something, or coming into the dugout, which again, there would be too many witnesses for something to be done.

Maybe during warmups, but I still don't see the other palyers or the organization not have security do something about that.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=30589:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How many of you guys actually read the article? Given some of the responses, I don't think half of you read anything but "racist" and "Cubs fans".

Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are racist fans in every ball park. They either aren't as vocal at other stadiums or aren't as frequent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was basically all I was trying to say, but I never even mentioned a word about Cub fans, I was talking about the city in general. I don't think it's as inviting and racially tolerant as some of you seem to think it is.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=30528:date=Apr 15 2009, 02:13 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Apr 15 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30499:date=Apr 15 2009, 01:44 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 15 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30477:date=Apr 15 2009, 01:25 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30464:date=Apr 15 2009, 12:40 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 15 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30457:date=Apr 15 2009, 12:24 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm just gonna throw this out there . . . since meeting my wife 7 years ago and spending alot more time in the Chicago area, I've heard some of the most ridiculously insensitive things I can imagine come from people mouths. I've heard things said by complete strangers, in public situations, that I couldn't fathom anyone saying. I may be from podunk, backwards, hillbilly Iowa, but I've never heard anything here like what I've heard in some of my trips to Chicago.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean.
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It means that I've heard more racist comments there than I ever could have imagined. It means that I've heard the N word and other derrogatory terms used in passing, like it's common place, far too often. It means that I think there may be some truth to what the article is saying.
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I've lived my entire life in Chicago, and that hasn't been my experience at all. You've gotta stop hanging out at the Chicago Klavern when you visit...
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nah, it hasn't been my experience either. dropping the n-word in passing like everyday conversation? yeah, you're making that up. sorry.
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I've never made something up before, so I'm gonna pick this topic and start now? I also never said a word about it happening everyday, I said I've heard it happen with a frequency that I totally never expected.

[bz]

<!--quoteo(post=30599:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30589:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How many of you guys actually read the article? Given some of the responses, I don't think half of you read anything but "racist" and "Cubs fans".

Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are racist fans in every ball park. They either aren't as vocal at other stadiums or aren't as frequent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was basically all I was trying to say, but I never even mentioned a word about Cub fans, I was talking about the city in general. I don't think it's as inviting and racially tolerant as some of you seem to think it is.
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And you would be...

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[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=30601:date=Apr 15 2009, 04:02 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Apr 15 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30599:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30589:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How many of you guys actually read the article? Given some of the responses, I don't think half of you read anything but "racist" and "Cubs fans".

Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are racist fans in every ball park. They either aren't as vocal at other stadiums or aren't as frequent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was basically all I was trying to say, but I never even mentioned a word about Cub fans, I was talking about the city in general. I don't think it's as inviting and racially tolerant as some of you seem to think it is.
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And you would be...

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If you wanna think so, but it's not like I don't have personal experiences and andecotal evidence to support my version either.

[The Dude]

<!--quoteo(post=30567:date=Apr 15 2009, 02:53 PM:name=Croz)-->QUOTE (Croz @ Apr 15 2009, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30565:date=Apr 15 2009, 02:50 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Apr 15 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You know, it doesn't matter what ruby/butch/tom thinks. What matters is that the Cubs have a seriously bad reputation around MLB for having racist fans. Torii Hunter specifically put the Cubs on his "no-trade" list because he didn't want to be the subject of racial epithets while trying to play ball.

Doesn't it seem like something has to be done? Putting monitors/security guards in the bleachers? If Bradley made a bad throw, and the guy next to me called him an "N," I seriously would consider punching the guy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Have you actually heard the "N" word during a game? I have been to a lot of games and sat in all areas of the park and have NEVER heard one N word. A lot of f bombs though.
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I've spent a lot of time in the bleachers and never heard anything worse than calling opposing players homos.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=30595:date=Apr 15 2009, 01:46 PM:name=Croz)-->QUOTE (Croz @ Apr 15 2009, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->For every douche like Tori Hunter, LaToya, and Jock Jones there is a Sammy Sosa, Derrek Lee, Ernie Banks, Billie Williams, and Andre Dawson that were treated like gods while here.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bingo. We have more legendary black players than most teams if not all.

EDIT: Add Fergie too.

[bz]

<!--quoteo(post=30603:date=Apr 15 2009, 04:04 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30601:date=Apr 15 2009, 04:02 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Apr 15 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30599:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30589:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How many of you guys actually read the article? Given some of the responses, I don't think half of you read anything but "racist" and "Cubs fans".

Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are racist fans in every ball park. They either aren't as vocal at other stadiums or aren't as frequent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was basically all I was trying to say, but I never even mentioned a word about Cub fans, I was talking about the city in general. I don't think it's as inviting and racially tolerant as some of you seem to think it is.
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And you would be...

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If you wanna think so, but it's not like I don't have personal experiences and andecotal evidence to support my version either.
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I'm sure you have personal experiences and anecdotal evidence based on the handful of times you've been to Chicago. But don't go generalizing a whole city because you saw some bad things a few times. I'm in Chicago close to 50 times a year...anywhere from Lincoln Park to Hyde Park. Chicago happens to have some of the countries largest black, asian, hispanic, european and openly gay communities in the United States. Cram countless ethnicities, backgrounds, religions and orientations into relatively small area and you're bound to bump into assholes. Iowa has 3,000,000 people in 240 times the area of Chicago.

When it comes to being cultured and understanding of cultures and people, you are kind of in the back seat, dooder.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=30616:date=Apr 15 2009, 04:16 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Apr 15 2009, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30603:date=Apr 15 2009, 04:04 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30601:date=Apr 15 2009, 04:02 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Apr 15 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30599:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30589:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How many of you guys actually read the article? Given some of the responses, I don't think half of you read anything but "racist" and "Cubs fans".

Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are racist fans in every ball park. They either aren't as vocal at other stadiums or aren't as frequent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was basically all I was trying to say, but I never even mentioned a word about Cub fans, I was talking about the city in general. I don't think it's as inviting and racially tolerant as some of you seem to think it is.
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And you would be...

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If you wanna think so, but it's not like I don't have personal experiences and andecotal evidence to support my version either.
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I'm sure you have personal experiences and anecdotal evidence based on the handful of times you've been to Chicago. But don't go generalizing a whole city because you saw some bad things a few times. I'm in Chicago close to 50 times a year...anywhere from Lincoln Park to Hyde Park. Chicago happens to have some of the countries largest black, asian, hispanic, european and openly gay communities in the United States. Cram countless ethnicities, backgrounds, religions and orientations into relatively small area and you're bound to bump into assholes. Iowa has 3,000,000 people in 240 times the area of Chicago.

When it comes to being cultured and understanding of cultures and people, you are kind of in the back seat, dooder.
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I wasn't comparing Iowa to Chicago, that's not was this is about. I grew up in Dubuque when there were cross burnings, KKK rallys, and whatnot, Iowa is clearly not devoid of have negative racial overtones. Saying I've been to Chicago a handful of times is just silly, you don't have any idea how often I've been to the area or the city. I probably spend 50 days in the area and another 10 or more in the city every year, I've got plenty of experience to base my thoughts on.

Also, I'm pretty sure my family make up doesn't put me in the back seat when it comes to being cultured and understanding of cultures. It'd probably be good just to leave that topic alone.