I'm having no fun this year

[Fly]

<!--quoteo(post=38210:date=May 15 2009, 08:21 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ May 15 2009, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38207:date=May 15 2009, 06:13 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38194:date=May 15 2009, 06:30 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 15 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38185:date=May 15 2009, 02:54 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ May 15 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38183:date=May 15 2009, 02:52 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 15 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38176:date=May 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38171:date=May 15 2009, 04:09 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 15 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38150:date=May 15 2009, 01:53 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd take Bedard in a heartbeat and start him in the playoffs over everyone on our roster -- unless Harden is throwing in the upper 90s at the time. Then I'd go Harden-Bedard-Z.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd like to know what Bedard has done to make you think this? I wouldn't take him over any starter we have, except Marshall.
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3.74 ERA playing all of his career in the AL and most in the AL East, 754 K in 781 innings. Those numbers are better than Z's career numbers, certainly more solid than Dempster's one good year, and better on the whole than Lilly's.
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Very good points. I might be able to get behind that. There's just something about him that screams "stay away" to me though.
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I agree

The Mariners GM threw him under the bus big time last year, said it was all they could do to get him to take the ball. He has Injury issues and I think he is a head case and a douche.

Not saying I wouldn't take him, he has great talent, but to me he would just be a lefty Rich Harden, tons of talent, but not a guy you can count on to be a true ace.
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Bingo. Like Ruby said, I'd only take him over Marshall.
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I'm sorry, but to take a guy like Dempster over Bedard is lunacy. Lunacy. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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So you're already writing off 2008 as a complete fluke I take it? Did you watch him pitch yesterday?
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I did not. I saw the stat line. To expect Dempster to not regress a bit from last year seems unrealistic considering his age and his track record. Without even taking into consideration the switch from the AL to the NL, I'd take Bedard over Dempster, no matter how he pitched yesterday.

[kbwsb]

Because of momentum? Because it would have made the team feel like "winners?"
I'm not insinuating that winning Game 1 isn't a big deal, but I'm trying to understand your figuring.
You may be right. Sometimes teams just feel as if they're on a roll.

[Butcher]

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I'm not insinuating that winning Game 1 isn't a big deal, but I'm trying to understand your figuring.
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In a 5 game series, winning game 1 is HUGE. Last year, after losing game 1 -- hell -- after Dempster walked the world and then gave up the grand slam, everyone thought it was over. And it was.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=38212:date=May 15 2009, 06:47 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38193:date=May 15 2009, 05:27 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 15 2009, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38094:date=May 15 2009, 09:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just to add to the above thought -- if we had someone like that, I think we would've won at least one of the playoff series from the last two seasons.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No we wouldn't have. Not a chance.
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If our game 1 pitcher threw a shutout in 07 or 08, we would have won at least one of those series, if not both.
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Nope. Dude, we scored 6 total runs each time, that's an average of 2 runs per game. You're not going to win games that way. And you're saying "If they threw a shutout". There were 2 shutouts in all of the playoff games the last 2 seasons. The pitching hasn't been great by any means, but it's 99% on the offense.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=38218:date=May 15 2009, 06:56 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38216:date=May 15 2009, 07:51 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 15 2009, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Because of momentum? Because it would have made the team feel like "winners?"
I'm not insinuating that winning Game 1 isn't a big deal, but I'm trying to understand your figuring.
You may be right. Sometimes teams just feel as if they're on a roll.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In a 5 game series, winning game 1 is HUGE. Last year, after losing game 1 -- hell -- after Dempster walked the world and then gave up the grand slam, everyone thought it was over. And it was.
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Because of how things go for us, not because of momentum. Momentum plays little to no factor in baseball. Being too pumped up will hurt you as much as it will help you in baseball. You're not going to all of a sudden hit a homer because you're feeling like the team is coming back or strikeout because you're upset about the grand slam your pitcher just allowed.

[SandbergMVP1984]

Game 1 two years ago, Zambrano *was* pitching like the ace you're asking for. Lou just decided to be an idiot and take him out

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=38223:date=May 15 2009, 08:38 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ May 15 2009, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38212:date=May 15 2009, 06:47 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38193:date=May 15 2009, 05:27 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 15 2009, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38094:date=May 15 2009, 09:58 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just to add to the above thought -- if we had someone like that, I think we would've won at least one of the playoff series from the last two seasons.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No we wouldn't have. Not a chance.
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If our game 1 pitcher threw a shutout in 07 or 08, we would have won at least one of those series, if not both.
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Nope. Dude, we scored 6 total runs each time, that's an average of 2 runs per game. You're not going to win games that way. And you're saying "If they threw a shutout". There were 2 shutouts in all of the playoff games the last 2 seasons. The pitching hasn't been great by any means, but it's 99% on the offense.
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I'm not interested in getting into this argument again, but if we had Johan Santana rolling twice in a 5 game series, 2 runs a game might be enough to win it. There isn't a pitcher on our roster who is in the same league as someone like Santana.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=38214:date=May 15 2009, 06:49 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38210:date=May 15 2009, 07:21 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 15 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38207:date=May 15 2009, 06:13 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38194:date=May 15 2009, 06:30 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 15 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38185:date=May 15 2009, 02:54 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ May 15 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38183:date=May 15 2009, 02:52 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 15 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38176:date=May 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ May 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38171:date=May 15 2009, 04:09 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 15 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=38150:date=May 15 2009, 01:53 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 15 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd take Bedard in a heartbeat and start him in the playoffs over everyone on our roster -- unless Harden is throwing in the upper 90s at the time. Then I'd go Harden-Bedard-Z.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd like to know what Bedard has done to make you think this? I wouldn't take him over any starter we have, except Marshall.
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3.74 ERA playing all of his career in the AL and most in the AL East, 754 K in 781 innings. Those numbers are better than Z's career numbers, certainly more solid than Dempster's one good year, and better on the whole than Lilly's.
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Very good points. I might be able to get behind that. There's just something about him that screams "stay away" to me though.
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I agree

The Mariners GM threw him under the bus big time last year, said it was all they could do to get him to take the ball. He has Injury issues and I think he is a head case and a douche.

Not saying I wouldn't take him, he has great talent, but to me he would just be a lefty Rich Harden, tons of talent, but not a guy you can count on to be a true ace.
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Bingo. Like Ruby said, I'd only take him over Marshall.
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I'm sorry, but to take a guy like Dempster over Bedard is lunacy. Lunacy. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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So you're already writing off 2008 as a complete fluke I take it? Did you watch him pitch yesterday?
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You mean against the AAA Padres?

2008 was a fluke. Not saying Dempster can't be a decent #3 guy, but he isn't Bedard.
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It wouldn't have mattered who he faced yesterday, when he has that command he's as good as any pitcher in baseball. His stuff is superb.

I think he'll finish with 15 wins and an ERA in the 3.50-3.80 range. If that makes last year a "fluke", fine, but he's still very effective.

Bedard's a complete douchebag and is always hurt. He hurt his ass in spring training, probably getting pumped by Cedeno. He's coming off an arm injury, and he's missing his start tomorrow due to a hamstring injury. Not interested.

[Butcher]

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I'd like to know what Bedard has done to make you think this? I wouldn't take him over any starter we have, except Marshall.
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3.74 ERA playing all of his career in the AL and most in the AL East, 754 K in 781 innings. Those numbers are better than Z's career numbers, certainly more solid than Dempster's one good year, and better on the whole than Lilly's.
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Very good points. I might be able to get behind that. There's just something about him that screams "stay away" to me though.
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I agree

The Mariners GM threw him under the bus big time last year, said it was all they could do to get him to take the ball. He has Injury issues and I think he is a head case and a douche.

Not saying I wouldn't take him, he has great talent, but to me he would just be a lefty Rich Harden, tons of talent, but not a guy you can count on to be a true ace.
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Bingo. Like Ruby said, I'd only take him over Marshall.
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I'm sorry, but to take a guy like Dempster over Bedard is lunacy. Lunacy. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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So you're already writing off 2008 as a complete fluke I take it? Did you watch him pitch yesterday?
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You mean against the AAA Padres?

2008 was a fluke. Not saying Dempster can't be a decent #3 guy, but he isn't Bedard.
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It wouldn't have mattered who he faced yesterday, when he has that command he's as good as any pitcher in baseball. His stuff is superb.

I think he'll finish with 15 wins and an ERA in the 3.50-3.80 range. If that makes last year a "fluke", fine, but he's still very effective.

Bedard's a complete douchebag and is always hurt. He hurt his ass in spring training, probably getting pumped by Cedeno. He's coming off an arm injury, and he's missing his start tomorrow due to a hamstring injury. Not interested.
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Being sodomized by Cedeno aside, he's still a better pitcher than Dempster.

Like I said, Dempster can probably be a fine #3 starter. But he isn't someone you want starting game 1 of a playoff series.

[Fly]

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I'd like to know what Bedard has done to make you think this? I wouldn't take him over any starter we have, except Marshall.
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3.74 ERA playing all of his career in the AL and most in the AL East, 754 K in 781 innings. Those numbers are better than Z's career numbers, certainly more solid than Dempster's one good year, and better on the whole than Lilly's.
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Very good points. I might be able to get behind that. There's just something about him that screams "stay away" to me though.
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I agree

The Mariners GM threw him under the bus big time last year, said it was all they could do to get him to take the ball. He has Injury issues and I think he is a head case and a douche.

Not saying I wouldn't take him, he has great talent, but to me he would just be a lefty Rich Harden, tons of talent, but not a guy you can count on to be a true ace.
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Bingo. Like Ruby said, I'd only take him over Marshall.
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I'm sorry, but to take a guy like Dempster over Bedard is lunacy. Lunacy. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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So you're already writing off 2008 as a complete fluke I take it? Did you watch him pitch yesterday?
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You mean against the AAA Padres?

2008 was a fluke. Not saying Dempster can't be a decent #3 guy, but he isn't Bedard.
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It wouldn't have mattered who he faced yesterday, when he has that command he's as good as any pitcher in baseball. His stuff is superb.

I think he'll finish with 15 wins and an ERA in the 3.50-3.80 range. If that makes last year a "fluke", fine, but he's still very effective.

Bedard's a complete douchebag and is always hurt. He hurt his ass in spring training, probably getting pumped by Cedeno. He's coming off an arm injury, and he's missing his start tomorrow due to a hamstring injury. Not interested.
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He's not 'always' hurt...we have pitchers on our team who are much more likely to get hurt than he is. As to his douchebaggery: 1) speculation and 2) if he throws a 3.35 ERA for us, he can shit in UNICEF boxes. You could ask lots of opposing players who one of the biggest douchebags in the game is and I bet you'd get a lot of "Carlos Zambranos" back. And as to missing starts due to hamstring injuries tomorrow, our horse is doing the exact same thing.

Sorry. I like Dempster well enough, our overpaying him aside. I think he's a pleasure to hear speak and not a bad pitcher. But as Butch said, he's a mid-rotation guy and Bedard is a top-rotation starter. We'd be better having Bedard go twice in the playoffs than Dempster.

[ruby23]

I'd rather trade for Bedard than Peavy.

[rok]

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Well, if he costs us less in terms of trade pieces and since we'd only control him for the remainder of the season, then sure.

[Rappster]

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I remain eternally sorry for every mean thing I've ever said to you.

[vegascub]

This team can suck it.

[Butcher]

2 runs in 27 innings. I'm absolutely disgusted with this sack of shit team.